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Hello everyone. I think this article should be split because there is a great deal of specific implementation, rollout, regulatory, etc information about the US. That's not bad it's just good enough for WP:SPLIT. Invasive Spices (talk) 17 October 2022 (UTC)
The previous content[2] was also internally inconsistent. The same paragraph was citing CDC health risks of non-ionizing radiation and also describing "fringe health". It didn't read like an encyclopedia BUILDWPTonymetz💬02:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(EC):: Well, if you read the text carefully, Mercola was used as an example of a crank promoting fear mongering on 5G, not in any way as an actual expert in the field. Second, the first paragraph is being whitewashed (removing the claim that 5G dangers are a fringe theory) and lastly, the change includes the sentence "Studies have shown that RF emissions from cell phones cause cancer" which is 1) flat out false and 2) misrepresentation of the 2 sources cited that are specifically not making that claim. --McSly (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some supernatural 5g health concerns are fringe, but the IARC has classified cell phone RF as carcinogenic [3] . We should be able to distinguish the mature health concerns from the fringe ones Tonymetz💬02:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No it's not. It is classified as "Possibly carcinogenic to humans", Group 2B. I strongly suggest that you stop misrepresenting the sources. --McSly (talk) 02:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also ok with "possibly carcinogenic to humans". That would be much more faithful than the dismissive "fringe health" tone that's currently being used. Tonymetz💬05:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"conclusion means that there could be some risk, and therefore we need to keep a close watch for a link between cell phones and cancer risk." [4]Tonymetz💬05:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Possibly carcinogenic" means that there have been studies, and the studies found no correlation. There is no category "Not carcinogenic" (which would mean that the measurement of the effect was exactly zero) because there are always error bars. There always "could be some risk", it is a non-statement inserted at the end of studies by people who either want to cover their ass or wish that they had got a different result than "zero plus/minus epsilon". --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is “ Group 3: The agent is not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans.” Which is “not carcinogenic”. So 2b / “possibly carcinogenic” is a higher risk level than that Tonymetz💬16:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which is “not carcinogenic” Wrong. It is "we know nothing about whether it is carcinogenic or not." "Not carcinogenic" is logically impossible to prove, and there is no such substance. See IARC group 3. --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@McSly: I agree that the claim "Studies have shown that RF emissions from cell phones cause cancer" is an exaggeration of what is in the WP:RS. In 2012, The British Medical Journal published this, which said:
The association between microwave radiation exposure from mobile phone use and tumour development in the brain and central nervous system has been much investigated, yet remains controversial. Although many large and well conducted studies have found little evidence to support such a link,1 2 3 4 5 a few studies have observed modest to large increases in relative risk,6 7 8 9 10 11 generally of glioma but with some reports of acoustic neuroma.9 11 Results have been generally negative for an association between phone use and risk of meningioma.12 The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has recently re-evaluated the risk of tumour development in the brain and central nervous system from mobile phone use, and rated this type of exposure as a possible human carcinogen (grade 2B).12 This declaration was based mainly on the results of two epidemiological studies: the Interphone study4 and a recent Swedish study by Hardell and colleagues.10
As long as people use statistical significance as a criterion, there will always be "a few studies", namely 5% of them, that find something. It's the definition of statistical significance. So, this is also a null statement that actually means "we found nothing". --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
. They center on fringe claims that non-ionizing radiation poses dangers to human health... "exposure to intense, direct amounts of non-ionizing radiation may result in damage to tissue due to heat.
How is this an encyclopedia? The sentence itself is a contradiction .
I say we separate the unconventional risks of "non-ionizing radiation" which are well documented (CDC, OSHA, ARRL, IARC) from ionizing radiation.
I still don't see how fringe applies. If cancer.org remains neutral but references IARC risk levels, and these other major health institutions say there is a possibility, we are out of fringe territory.
In short there are two issues. The major one is internal inconsistency, the moderate one is "fringe" status for a non-negligible cancer risk. Tonymetz💬22:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bon courage How is my edit "weird editorializing"? You claimed this in your revert. I inserted the name of the source publication, which is indeed non-medical (i.e. non-WP:MEDRS), and summarized the key claim in the article that the misinformation was related primarily to COVID. The title is "COVID-19, 5G conspiracies and infrastructural futures" and the first line of the abstract is "This article examines the emergence of conspiracy theories linking COVID-19 with 5G, with a focus on Australia, the United States and United Kingdom." Aren't we supposed to summarize what is in the article rather than cherry-pick out pieces?
Since this section is titled "Health", shouldn't we be relying on WP:MEDRS rather than a publication from the field of media studies by writers who have not stated that they have a solid background in medicine, cancer research, or epidemiology? --David Tornheim (talk) 06:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect 5G conspiracies has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 3 § 5G conspiracies until a consensus is reached. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 22:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
