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1 L'Aquila Province  





2 Mezzorgorno, history of links with neighbouring regions  





3 Southernmost glacier in Europe  
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4 External links modified  
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5 Abruzzo is Central Italy (Like Lazio) and Not Southern  
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L'Aquila Province

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The dialects of L'Aquila Province are not related with southern dialects, but are part of Osco-Umbrian family, such as the dialects of Latium, Umbria and a part of Marche. I removed the word "official" before dialects because dialects are never "official", but only a local way to spell Italian, without any official recognition. Italy recognize only Italian Language as official in the whole country and 12 official languages spoken by minorities: French, French-Provençal, Occitan, Catalan, Sardinian, German, Slovenian, Ladin, Greek, Serbian-Croatian, Furlan, Albanian. The Albanian recognized language is the variety spoken in Italy, which is different, I think, by the official one of Albania, known in Italy as "tosco". don't know if the recognized Greek is the "Demotiki" now official in Greece, or the older way, official in Greece until recent years.

anon, May 2007

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Finding Italian Roots by John Philip Colletta (Baltimore, 1993) at page 54 shows the Mezzogorno as "Southern Central Italy" and includes within it the lower half of Lazio. Garabaldi, who may have coined the term "Il Mezzogiorno" and certainly popularized its use, used the term to include all of Italy south of Rome. Poverty was a central feature of Il Mezzogiorno, a feature Abuzzo in the 1900s clearly shared.

Describing Abruzzo as culturally distinct from its neighbors in Lazio and Mache is accurate though many of Abruzzo's accents or dialects are closer to those areas (see discussion of dialects below) but it is also culturally distinct from regions to its south. The transhumance links Abruzzo to the South in that the sheep were herded south to winter but also to Tuscany in that the wool trade centered there. In the early 1300s merchants from Tuscany and Reiti built elegant homes in Aquila and played an imprtant role in that city's governance. The Medicis came to own the Baronage of Carapelle in what is now in the Province of Aquila, the baronage previously having been owned by the Piccolomini from Siena. Indeed, l'Aquila was sacked by Spanish troops around 1500 for its loyalty to France and two centuries later by French troops. Thus, the Province of Aquila, which comprises about half of Abruzzo's land mass, was the product of many cultural influences, Spanish, French, Tuscan. But Abuzzo's mountainous terrain and pastoral traditions made its culture unique.

--MGerety

Southernmost glacier in Europe

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There is a section on Talk:Prokletije#Dubious discussing whether the Calderone glacier or one of the recently-discovered glaciers in the Prokletije mountains is the southernmost glacier in Europe. If anyone can find a real citation saying which one is more southern, that would be helpful.-Apocheir (talk) 17:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've gathered, it's possible glaciers in Prokletije/Albanian Alps may be slightly farther south than Calderone, though we don't have a coordinate anywhere that I've seen for a specific glacier. Snezhnika in Bulgaria is indisputably farther south than both of them. However, the glaciers in Albania and Bulgaria are known as 'glacierets' in Snezhnika's case (described as a remnant of a former glacier) and 'glacial masses' in the case of Prokletije; the question of whether those qualify as glaciers is not in my bailiwick. There are definitely glacial lakes throughout Southeastern Europe, but there may not be active glaciers(?) I'd say we leave it until it's conclusively otherwise.73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review of the sources, it appears the Albanian 'masses' are also referred to as glaciers, and while there aren't coordinates, the latitude would almost certainly be lower than Calderone. I changed it to 'one of the southernmost.'73.248.126.206 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Abruzzo is Central Italy (Like Lazio) and Not Southern

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Abruzzo is Central Italy and classifying it as Southern is a misclassification. Molise below it is also not considered Southern Italy. Campagna and Puglia are the gates of Southern Italy. Lstoller86 (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both ISTAT and EUROSTAT state that Abruzzo and Molise are in Southern Italy, which is definitely a statistical area (not a geographical one).--3knolls (talk) 06:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strange to use a geographical nomer to distinguish a place based on “statistical area” which means what exactly …population size ? If that’s what it means Why isn’t marche southern italy then ? I don’t know of any Italian who consider Abruzzo southern Italy. Central yes and definitely not north but not south.
ps 3knolls nothing personal…I have no doubts what you represented is the case 76.91.2.147 (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed that is not a rare case. E.g. Delaware is included in the Southern United States by the Census Bureau, although it's not geographically southern..--3knolls (talk) 06:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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