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Is there a significant difference between those two concepts? They seem highly related to me. Of course, in our article structure (and common sense logic), harassment one of several more specific types of abuse, but I am unsure if scholarly literature distinguishes power abuse from power harassment. Thoughts? Sources? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong oppose @Piotrus: This term seems to be closer to workplace bullying motivated by rankism than abuse of power. But more importantly, the subject is unambiguously notable; this seems to be an very well-known social problem in Japan. Just read some of the sources. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]. See also the Japanese Wikipedia's version.[16] — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mr. Guye: Power harassment in Japan may, and likely is, a notable subarticle if someone wanted to expand it into one (like Gabjil). My point is that that as a theoretical concept, I don't see sufficient grounds to distinguish those concepts. Bullying, generally speaking, is one of the forms of abuse of power, but until someone expands the other article, I think readers would be better of finding one centralized discussion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Piotrus: Then I think we should narrow the scope of "Power harassment" to only Japan, with Gapjil under "See also". I haven't found much discussion of the term "Power harassment" outside of the context of Japanese workplaces. Thus, Power harassment in Japan would be redundant, as "power harassment" is already a concept discussed only in Japan. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  16:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Mr. Guye: Considering [17], perhaps we should rename the Japanese article to power hara? The problem is that it is currently written is such a way as to imply that the power harassment articles should cover more then just Japan. I am fine with a separate Japan article, but it should not confuse editors and invite addition of section on other countries. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Piotrus: I'm ok with "power hara" that as long as you can find more sources referring to it that way. But what I was thinking is we should reorganize the article to clarify that this is a Japanese concept. So the lead would start with something similar to:
          • InJapanese society, power harassment is the. . .
          • Power hara is a phenomenon in Japan where. . .
        • or something like that. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  17:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Mr. Guye: That sounds good. I couldn't find academic sources, but there's [18] (academic blog), and NYT: [19]. Seems very under-researched phenomenon, or - we still have a bad name for it. PS. Nah, it is just that "power hara" is not that common. A lot of stuff for "power harassment", and a bit for "powa hara"/"pawa hara" (Naoko Takemaru (19 April 2010). Women in the Language and Society of Japan: The Linguistic Roots of Bias. McFarland. pp. 176–. ISBN 978-0-7864-5610-9.). So the best name is indeed power harassment ([20]), just the lead needs to be clear this is a Japanese concept. PPS. Per [21], power harassment = workplace bullying in Japan. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 21:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • @Piotrus: I think, as I said before, that "power harassment" is workplace bullying motivated by rankism, so it is usually done by managers against subordinates (instead of a peer harassing a peer because they talk differently or something). Both of these sources [22] [23] (and I'm sure other sources) say that this has cultural origins. Also, I'm not sure if we should proceed yet; technically only two people have participated in this discussion. We may need more consensus. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  21:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: A person could use a position of authority or power (ex. Bank manager, company CEO, treasurer) to embezzle money without harassing anyone. Otr500 (talk) 00:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• ’’’Support’’’: in the same way that “-gate” is used as a suffix in English vernacular to denote some sort of scandal, in Japan, “-hara” is tacked onto a word (or more often, a two-syllable abbreviation of a word) to denote some specific type of harassment. Starting with “seku-hara” (sexual harassment), some other common ones that come to mind are “mata-hara” (maternity harassment, i.e. discrimination against a pregnant woman), “mora-hara” (morale harassment, i.e. bullying to reduce someone’s morale), “aru-hara” (alcohol harassment, forcing workmates to drink more than they want to). It gets more ridiculous, with the Japanese Wikipedia having such submarine examples as “owa-hara”, short for “owarase-harassment”, literally translating as “forcing to stop harassment”, which refers to companies forcing a potential graduate recruit to stop their job hunting as a condition of offering them a position. The English Wikipedia does not need to parrot these neologisms, including “power harassment”, so I support the merge in this case. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 11:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on the grounds that a different target is more appropriate. I agree with Otr500 that the scope of the articles doesn't match, and agree with AtHomeIn神戸 that this term Japanese-use term would be better discussed elsewhere, but suggest that better targets would be as a section on Workplace bullying or perhaps the slightly broader Abusive power and control (covering also scope beyond the workplace. Klbrain (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This discussion was clearly against the requested move, that was suggested in December 2017, so I am going to remove the merge template. This will also clear the way for any future discussions. Otr500 (talk) 06:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The current unreferenced stub on Abuse of authority could be merged here until this topic gains apparent independent notability. Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:20, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong support: There is a one-sentence explanation of the semantic difference, and sources online indicate to me that "abuse of authority" is a term used more in the context of the private workplace than in the context of governmental corruption, but I support a temporary merge until notability is proven and content can be verified.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  18:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mentioning @Piotrus: because I forgot to do so when I !voted. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support: Abuse of power and abuse of authority is essentially the same thing so it seems natural to merge to the more referenced article.