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Good articleAdelophthalmidae has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassessit.
Good topic starAdelophthalmidae is the main article in the Adelophthalmidae series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 2, 2018Good article nomineeListed
August 7, 2019Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Adelophthalmidae/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ichthyovenator (talk · contribs) 13:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Will begin soon. Ichthyovenator (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Lead

Changed to as it is in Pterygotioidea.
Done in the last paragraph of the Evolutionary history section.

Description

I would like to know why.
It's a bit needlessly advanced since there are more simple ways to say it, for instance "ranged from" instead of "oscillated between".
Alright then, changed.
Done.
Done.
It is already said that Unionopterus represents an exception with respect to the parabolic carapace, I do not think I have seen anything else useful for this point in another document.
I meant that you might not need to mention that it might be an exception since it might not even be an adelopthalmid but it's your choice.
Oh, okay. I think that by the very fact of possibly not representing an adelophthalmid it would be nice to mention how it lacks highly diagnostic features of the group like the carapace.
Replaced by "varies".
Changed.

History of discovery

Done.
Changed.
Done, I can rewrite the sentence in parentheses if you think it can be better.
Done.

Evolutionary history

Added age for Eysyslopterus.
Done.
Sometimes I don't even know what I write :P
Is this what you wanted?
Yeah, might be a bit excessive when I look at it now but this is what I meant.
Maybe I'll try to shorten some sentences tomorrow but I doubt I can reduce it to a single paragraph.
Either way, Adelophthalmus taking up a lot of space is perfectly understandable so it's your choice whether to shorten or not.
I think only some words could be omitted, probably prejudicing the expressiveness of the text, so I think it's better to leave it as it is now.

Classification

Done.
Yes, I had problems writing this sentence. I rewrote it. Looks good now?
Yes, this looks good.

Paleoecology

Done.
Removed.
Done.
Removed.

Looks like everything has been done then. Well done on this and the rest of the adelophthalmids! Ichthyovenator (talk) 11:46, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Super Ψ Dro 12:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wiedopterus[edit]

HiIchthyovenator. I think including Wiedopterus within Adelophthalmidae is somewhat excessive. Poschmann suggested that the genus could belong to Adelophthalmoidea, but researchers do these suggestions all the time, yet we shouldn't make them formal. Poschmann did not include Wiedopterus within the superfamily or the family, not even with a question mark, so doing so here seems original research to me. I think it's best to keep it as Eurypterina incertae sedis, of course mentioning its most likely relation with Adelophthalmoidea/idae but keeping this away from infoboxes. What do you think? Super Ψ Dro 12:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's excessive if we have the question mark. Poschmann did not include it, no, but he said it "probably" belonged to the family and even suggested that it was a derived member close to Adelophthalmus. Like with UnionopterusorHolmipterus (both of whom the Dunlop-Penney-Jekel list put as Eurypterida incertae sedis), we're not making a formal taxonomical statement, just noting that Wiedopterus has an uncertain classification and possibly belongs to the given family. In other groups of animals (such as the megaraptoran dinosaurs, with very uncertain relationships) this seems to be okay. We could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palaeontology if you want. Ichthyovenator (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The difference with Unionopterus is that it has been often included in Adelophthalmidae in several papers (some of which didn't even put a question mark next to the name). In the other hand, Wiedopterus has only been discussed once in a paper which didn't include it within Adelophthalmidae, formally or tentatively. I don't know much about Holmipterus but I remember it had a similar situation, I was somewhat opposed to your removal of Holmipterus from Carcinosomatoidea but I didn't say anything because I barely remembered anything about the genus and the superfamily is far from being my area of expertise. I don't want to sound too stubborn in this situation but yes, I think it's best to ask at the WikiProject to see what do they say. Super Ψ Dro 12:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I put Holmipterus in the Carcinosomatidae (with the question mark) because it was recovered there in a phylogenetic analysis (which is pretty formal) - in all likelihood the Holmipterus fossils represent two genera (one carcinosomatid and one megalograptid) but unless that's made formal it's best to keep it at its last recovered position (Carcinosomatidae).
Wiedopterus was not formally included but it was very strongly suggested to be an adelophthalmid. I've asked at the WikiProject - I'll go with whatever they think is the best approach. Ichthyovenator (talk) 13:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case with Holmipterus, sure then, I won't oppose that. Super Ψ Dro 13:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it's weighing towards going with incertae sedis in the taxobox so I've changed it back to that and removed Wiedopterus from the Adelophthalmidae taxobox. I may have misinterpreted those other cases I mentioned so you're probably right that it was premature. Ichthyovenator (talk) 16:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Good that we've arranged this out. Super Ψ Dro 17:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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