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Talk:Adrien Agreste

Adrien Agreste has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: January 21, 2019. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Adrien Agreste appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 December 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Adrien Agreste's superhero identity, Cat Noir, is a tribute to the comic book character Catwoman? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Adrien Agreste.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Adrien Agreste/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: DanielleTH (talk · contribs) 20:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Will review this shortly. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 20:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a(prose, spelling, and grammar): b(MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a(references): b(citations to reliable sources): c(OR): d(copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a(major aspects): b(focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a(images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b(appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Okay, let's get this done!

Don't link:

• Lead
  • homeschooled, model, black cat
• In the main series
  • model, homeschooled, black cat (in caption)

• Lead
  • For the sake of link clarity, clarify the elderly man is Master Fu and his father is Gabriel Agreste.
• Concept and creation
  • "Initially, Cat Noir's civilian identity was a character named Félix, who was "an early love interest for Marinette" and who would have had a distant attitude towards her, being included in the "typical cold-and-snobbish-guy anime trope"." Who's being quoted here, Astruc? If so, attribute it to him. If it's just quotes from the source, paraphrase.
  • "Astruc said that while the "contrast" between Félix and Cat Noir's personalities would have "worked well", it would not have provided "great stories" in the long term." Per the policy on quotes, given that 1-2 words here are being quoted and their rather generic, you should paraphrase, but still attribute it to Astruc, since it's his ideas.
  • "Cat Noir's chibi form appearing in the series Miraculous Chibi was created by character designer Angie Nasca while the show "was still in the development phase"; according to Nasca, "the series grew from those initial sketches" portraying "the two main characters"." "The two main characters" should be paraphrased and not quoted. You could say something like "the two main leads" if you'd like.
• In the main series
  • Is it called the Black Cat Miraculous? Other uses of it, including the article, have just called it the Cat Miraculous.
• Critical response
  • "show's original title" and later, "chemistry" should be paraphrased. (Since the latter may be hard to paraphrase, maybe include more of the quote to justify it being in quotations in the first place?)
• Popularity and merchandise
  • "Relatability" should be paraphrased, not quoted.

Papenbrook's image is under the correct license. Both images of Adrien have good rationales and are a good size. Captions are great, especially on the one of Cat Noir, more than justifying its placement.

Overall, great job on the article. Awaiting your changes. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 02:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DanielleTH: Hello and thank you for reviewing the article! I have tried to make all the aforementioned changes. All I would like to add is:

- Yes, Astruc was quoted there; I attributed the sentence to him;

- Instead of "the two main characters" or "the two main leads", I wrote "the two lead characters";

- Yes, Adrien's Miraculous is called the Cat Miraculous, thank you for pointing this out;

- In Marinette's article, the word "superhero" was linked back in the lead after I had removed the links (including this one), so for now I have linked it once again in the infobox, caption, and body of the article; I have also linked the word in Adrien's article in order to maintain a sense of continuity between the two articles; I know that the word "superhero" is widely known by the readers, but maybe it should be kept linked in both articles since it is important to their subjects. Flowerpiep (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Flowerpiep[reply]

This is your article, Flowerpiep, and if you'd like it to be linked for consistency and clarity's sake I don't see a problem with it. You can justify it here and to other editors so I personally believe it to be fine. All other changes look great, congrats on the two GAs! DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 22:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DanielleTH: Thank you! Flowerpiep (talk) 10:30, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Flowerpiep[reply]

I've had to revert multiple IP editors adding the unsourced assertion of Adrien being French-British. If any of these editors can provide a reliable source of this claim, then I am more than willing to insert it into the entry. The Miraculous Ladybug Wiki is not a reliable source since it is user generated. As far as I'm concerned, searches into his nationality provided no reliable sources and no indication of an alternative nationality. KangarooGymnast (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]