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Really? We're going to add ALLEGATIONS from a story that someone is remembering from 30+ years ago? It's a single-source first-hand account of sexual assault against a dead man, and the first thing somebody does is run to stick it on his Wikipedia page as if it were the truth? This is truly appalling. Hukt own fonikz (talk) 18:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, at least the second sentence should be changed: Simply writing "experiences" is suggesting the claim is true. --87.79.158.40 (talk) 19:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's disgraceful for Dorothy Carvello to make these sexual assault allegations in her book, because Ahmet has been dead for 15 years and he can't defend himself. If he were still alive, he could very easily have sued Dorothy for libel, and he was actually a very nice man who did lots of charitable acts, including a donation of $1.5 million USD to the Rhythm and Blues Foundation. 27.33.227.229 (talk) 05:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the content, there is information under the name of "claim" that Ahmet Ertegün accepts the Armenian Genocide bullshit. Ertegun really loved his country and if he thought there was such a thing, he would surely say so, because he had nothing to lose. He is not a person to be lynched who is mentioned in Turkey. A person who thinks this way would not be tied to his country anyway, Ertegun loved his country. Please, please, stop posting irrelevant things about the Armenian Genocide on all Turks' (including Turkey and content) pages without being verified. If we Turks do not write on the Armenians' content page THE HOCALI MASSACRE WHERE THEY KILLED THE PEOPLE OF AZERBAIJAN, you cannot show us such disrespect. I would like to add, in another discussion, you said, "Ahmet cannot accept harassment because he is dead". Likewise, Ahmet cannot accept that he said such a thing. Esraspears (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, basically, you're claiming that saying someone claimed he wasn't a Armenian Genocide denier is a bad thing? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 17:55, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do we describe his place of birth? Ertegun was born on 31 July 1923, which as I understand it was seven days after the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne which ended the Ottoman Empire. The Republic of Turkey was not proclaimed for several months, although (again, as I understand it), the region was known as Turkey before that date. There is also the issue of whether he was born in Constantinople (as it was widely, globally, known under the Ottoman Empire), or in Istanbul (its increasingly recognised name as part of Turkey). I may have got details in that wrong, and if so I'm happy to be corrected. The point at issue is simply whether his place of birth, on 31 July 1923, should be described in the infobox and the text as "Constantinople, Ottoman Empire", or "Istanbul, Turkey"... or something else. Any thoughts? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be frank, the city we now know as Istanbul was referred to with many different names during the late 1910s and early 1920s. Nowadays, a sizeable group of historians prefer the name Istanbul to be politically correct, as the name Constantinople is associated with the foreign influence on current day Turkey back in the Independence Movement times. Calling the city Constantinople also goes against the very founding myths of Turkey (Turkish nationalism). Therefore, it is not possible to point out which name is appropriate, as both variations were used at the time. Considering the importance of Ertegun for the Turkish diaspora, it is politically correct to just leave the infobox as born in Istanbul in my opinion. Katakana546 (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This following paragraph should be removed:

"Musician Serj Tankian (from System of a Down) has claimed that Ertegun was against recognising the Armenian Genocide in line with the official policy of Turkey, his home country."

I believe it should be removed because on the next paragraph we read that Ertegun himself tells the story through a secondary source that kept his views on the genocide closeted; and that he believes the genocide happened and that Turkey should recognize it.

Secondly, a musician (Tankian) is not a reputable source, and his statement simply is a provocation. Therefore it is unreasonable to keep Tankian's claim in Wikipedia. Katakana546 (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]