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I would seriously suggest moving this to Zainul Abideen—that's the way he's usually referred to. The precedent for this is Hasan al-Askari, who is listed by the name he's usually referred to, and not his "accurate" or given name, Hasan ibn Ali ibn Muhammad. Creating a redirect, anyway.—iFaqeer | Talk to me! 23:57, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
This is wrong! Zayn al abidin is not his name! It is his title. He also has another title called as-Sajjad. Please move this entry back to his original name. His name is Ali ibn al-Hussain Zayn al-Abidin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xareen (talk • contribs) 11:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing the page. Like I said before, Ali ibn al-Hussain has a few titles to his name, such as, Zayn al-Abidin and also as-Sajjad. But we shouldn't remove his first name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xareen (talk • contribs) 17:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I kept His name and Qunnaya and didn't included any title because title vary in geographies as as-Sajjad (meaning one who prostrates) is also rfered as Sayyed us-Sajedeen (Leader of one who prostrate). So, its better to exclude the tiltle from the name.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs07:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I got rid of the phrase "evil-minded". Since I do not see any other NPOV related concern, I will have the tag removed unless there is any other concern. Please, be bold (Wiki recommends!) and join in this discussion if you see anything NPOV related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazemita1 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As for Ali al-Ridha, the eighth Shiite Imam, when he was appointed a successor to Al-Ma'mun, a Sufi objected him: "The Imam should eat rough food and wear coarse garments." The Imam refuted his view, saying: "Yousif b. Ya‘qub was a prophet; nevertheless he wore silk-like garments embroidered with gold. Allah did not prohibit clothing nor did he prohibit food. However, He wanted the Imām to be fair and just." Then he recited these verse: Say: Who has forbidden the adornment which He has brought forth for His creatures.[a][1][2]
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Ali ibn Husayn was the only son of Hussein ibn Ali who survived the Battle of Karbala in 680 when he was twenty three years old.[3] For, he could not take part in the battle due to his illness, and was thus saved from the general massacre. Once again when he was led as a prisoner before Ubayd Allah ibn ZiyadinKufa, the latter ordered his execution but left him alive at the entreaty of his aunt, Zaynab.[4][5][6]
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^Hoseini-e Jalali, Mohammad-Reza (1382). Jehad al-Imam al-Sajjad (in Persian). Translated by Musa Danesh. Iran, Mashhad: Razavi, Printing & Publishing Institute. pp. 214–217.
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@SharabSalam: recently removed an image from the infobox containing the name of Ali bin Husayn in Arabic. It is extremely common for notable Islamic personalities to have their name in Arabic in a circle in the infobox; for example, one may look at the pages Ali, Hasan ibn Ali, Husayn ibn Ali, Fatimah, etc. SharabSalam cited WP:HONOUR as a reason to remove the image; however, WP:HONOUR applies to text in an article, not to images. The overwhelming existence of images with honorifics on Wikipedia can attest to this, and we could call in a Wikipedia administrator to confirm this if needed. As a result, I believe that the image of Ali bin Husayn's name should be restored to the infobox. Best, Snowsky Mountain (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snowsky Mountain, no, it is not common. We don't put "own work" of the name and add honorifics in these Photoshop created images. Also those articles contain images that are an illustration from the Hagia Sophia Istanbul, Turkey. See their Wikipedia commons description.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 19:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a non-complete list of Wikipedia articles with images of names in the infobox that are not from the Hagia Sophia:
It doesn't matter, they should also be removed. Wikipedia doesn't promote any own work unless it has an educational purpose. These images would have been deleted from Wikimedia commons if they were not used in Wikipedia. This is why the person who creates them add them to articles immediately. The other articles like the one about prophet Muhammad, that image is an illustration of Hagia Sofia in Istanbul.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The "own work" guideline refers to citing one's one book in an article. Also, you can't make a blanket claim that every single image in a Wikipedia infobox was placed there by the same person who created it. And what gives calligraphy of the Hagia Sophia such a special status that calligraphy from there can appear on Wikipedia but no other calligraphy can? Snowsky Mountain (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snowsky Mountain, it's notable!. Think about it. Imagine if some random Wikimedia common user draw a picture of prophet Saleh peace be upon him and uploaded it, then he placed it in the article of prophet Saleh, would you allow their own work in the article of prophet Saleh?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 19:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SharabSalam, according to MOS:IMAGES, if no image was already present, then such an image may be allowed until it is replaced by an "image of higher quality or greater pertinence," as long as the picture was not considered offensive. (Also, by "drawing," I'm going to assume you mean draw a picture of his name.)
By the way, since you mention Prophet Saleh, I should mention that his Wikipedia page already has an image of his name in Arabic, similar to the image on this page that you removed. Snowsky Mountain (talk) 19:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of "The Consistently Prostrating", I think we can borrow the argubly more appropriate "[one who is] constantly prostrating in worship" from Madelung's article. Albertatiran (talk) 11:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Albertatiran: yes, 'the one who is constantly prostrating in worship' is a lot clearer to people who don't know Arabic.
@Apaugasma: Sure, will do that (I hope) before next Monday. To avoid these kind of errors in the future, I wonder if this information about style is compiled somewhere on Wikipedia or elsewhere. Albertatiran (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's the abortive WP:MOSAR, which was a proposal for the Manual of Style that was never actually voted in and now lies dormant. You're absolutely right that we should have an active page for this kind of stuff, but alas, it appears that there are just not enough active editors to make it work. I'm watching WP:MOSAR, so if any activity should resume there, I probably will also participate. ☿ Apaugasma (talk☉)19:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JimKillock Thanks for the input. I think this is to some degree a matter of personal taste. One advantage of sfn over alternatives is significantly fewer footnotes without any repetitions. It's a fairly popular template on Wikipedia. Albertatiran (talk) 09:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you should use SFN when i is single sources I agree. However, you can reduce clutter on the page as it is being read by using harvnb where you have 2, 3, or more citations listed together. This is just a suggestion as you have some places where the footnotes in the text get a bit overwhelming, eg "Mukhtar's revolt" or "Character". Jim Killock(talk)10:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JimKillock I appreciate the suggestion but the article doesn't look particularly cluttered to me personally. It's also perfectly fine with me if you find the time to change the citation style... Albertatiran (talk) 02:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Moved page to Ali ibn al-Hussain without any tiltle as His tiltles vary in geopgraphies (unlike Hasan al Askari who is universally known as Askari).--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 13:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping: Ghazaalch
