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This is a work in progress and I'm working toward properly sourcing and referencing this article.
However, I'm finding initial difficulty in finding information on the principles and theory behind emulation.
The concept of Amplifier Emulation however, is clearly something that is in existence and it's possible to download and listen examples all over the net.
This article is very poorly formatted at present; you should look at other articles to get a better idea of how to format it. Also, amplifier emulation is much more widely referred to as "amp modeling". I am wondering if you are very familiar with the subject. EDIT: I went ahead and restarted the article. Some guy (talk) 23:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously there is very significant longstanding debate regarding the quality of amp modeling in relation to vacuum tube amplifiers. We're talking religious-zealotry level of debate. And with any such level of controversy, it's important to mention in the article, but we need really solid sources. No blogs, forum posts, or offhand comments from non-notable people. It would be great to list some major bands that use amp modeling in their recording process. Some guy (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah some good points. I only just through up some quick stuff to get the article out there. However, the part of the point of the article is to bring in to light the ***question*** of how accurate modelers currently are, and how accurate we can expect them to become in future. I don't want to make the article sound biased in any way - but it needs to be made clear to the reader that there is such a debate and there are people researching and actively developing in this area.
Also, there needs to be information about the issues involved with comparison between real amps and modeled amps. In the experiment I read, the guy plugged the guitars in to DI boxes and then fed the sound in to amps or through modelers from there. His comparison was on that. However, this is not a realistic scenario because a lot of guitar players would mic up their guitar for recording.
For your knowledge - please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Please don't introduce unnecessary page breaks in a conversation; longstanding convention has conversations formatted in the way you now see here, each response indented an additional level. You indent a line by adding a colon at the front; each colon indents by an additional level. A citation needed tag is most easily added by inserting {{fact}}.
Anyway, the problem with the amp modeling debate is that a lot of it is opinion-based. It's difficult to have a objective way of determining the accuracy of a current modeler or predicting what will be possible in the future. Most debate is just people saying "modeling is good" or "modeling sounds terrible and it will never be as good as a vacuum-tube amp". Still, I'm sure we can find a good source that mentions this debate occurs, maybe get some quotes from professional sound techs or musicians about modeling? I suppose the most scientific approach would be to compare the signal generated by a modeler to the signal generated by the amp it's modeling and see how close they are, which we might be able to find? Anyway, I have a nasty headache and I don't want to try to research anything at the moment. Some guy (talk) 11:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need whatsoever to provide citations for claims which are not open to question (i.e. not reasonable to question such a claim) or that can be instantly verified. I'm really disgusted by all of the "Citation needed" everywhere in Wikipedia as if "editors" and overseers had no clue about when citations are and are not needed. IrkleDwirkle (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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people who know little about electronics should not presume to lecture others on electronics, and the same goes for sound production and acoustics; if such a person cannot find a proper source for such information, then the result will be not merely Original Research (Wikipedia:No original research) but intentionally misleading.
and then, unless said editor is a lazy and uninformed fool, establishing those concepts — in the context of audio processing in general, and musical performance specifically — is vital, seeing as Digital signal processing clearly says that DSP is used to perform a wide variety of signal processing operations.
the article might improve by being generalized (and necessarily renamed) to incorporate effects modeling, of which amp modeling is a small subset.
entirely overlooked is the long-established Roland/BOSS line of modeling devices, based on their "COSM" system, beginning with the VG-8 floor unit (1995) and since incorporated into various amps, stompboxes, and studios
many devices (even something so simple as the Zoom GM-200) don't merely model a generic type of amp, but actually go out of their way to replicate very specific "classic" models.
some devices model not just amplifiers, but speaker cabinets, even getting so specific as cone type, back (closed/open), manufacturer, and condition, as well as the virtual "microphone" used for final routing, including paramenters such as mic manufacturer, and distance and angle from center of the selected speaker.
