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At first I tried to read the French site, but my French is poor. I got that they were founded by Louis-Joseph Antoine and believed in dualism and reincarnation, but that was about it. I put into Babel Fish which of course gave a confused deal. However I gleaned from it what I wrote here. So what I'm saying is this is likely off so feel free to edit. --T. Anthony09:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Bronsonboy (talk) 03:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Bronsonboy for your help. I corrected some sentences, following your comments and after checking the references, as I'm not very familiar with the subject. In the phrase "Later, he was a steelworker in a boiler", I tried to translate the French word "chaudronnerie" with "boiler". Unfortunately, I don't know what is the proper word for this. --Europe22 (talk) 09:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Always happy to help. Unfortunately, I am not aware either what the definition of chaudronnerie is; I have not yet learned this word. You will note some further comments throughout the article, but overall, you did a very good job. I appreciate the amount of effort you took to find sources and "do your homework" so to speak. Perhaps you could consult a fluently bilingual user on this question? Wikipedia has categories of users who speak each language; the trick would be to find one who speaks both French and English—it might be quite a bit of sifting. Have you tried translation engines like Google? BronsonboyHQ13:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I tried translation engines like Google which gave "boiler"... However, according to wordreference.com, it appears that "boiler manufacturing" would be the more accurate translation, but as you say, it may be better to seek advice from a bilingual user. I will also read your comments throughout the article and try to fix what's wrong. Thanks again for your help! --Europe22 (talk) 19:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
othing big, complies with manual of style, but the WP:LEAD needs to summarize the article not simply introduce the topic. WP:WTW cautions us about the word "cult." This my primary field of interest so I recognize the context here when you refer to the movement's rituals. I would advise rephrase those instances to synonym with out the negative connotation some might take from it as Wikipedia is not Wikipedia:NOTACADEMIA
I am unsure because I have no access to the source at the moment. What exactly does footnote for "Books published by French anti-cult associations and activists sometimes included Antoinism in their lists of cults, but often contain only neutral descriptions of the religion" refer to? Are basing that on comment in the book or as example of book that had a neutral description?
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
I am very concerned with this aspect while it covers substantial frame work of a Good article. I see some flaws in the history that are concerning. Why is there so little in the history section about the last 70 years of its history?
B. Focused:
The location and times of worship is rather overly focused and could probably needs to be removed
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Needs some work and I have asked some question. You now address the issues I have indicated and then I will make a second review and either pass it or fail it.
Nominator's replies:
1A: Spelling and grammar probably need to be checked, as I added some content, and my English is not very good...
1B: I removed all the "cult" mentions and replaced them by "services" or "worship". I also extended the lead section per WP:LEAD.
2C: The book does not say that Antoinism is frequently described with neutral words in books about cults. I must admit that this wording was only my feeling when I added this sentence in the article. So yes, I agree this needed to be reworded to avoid an original research. I added the following phrase, which is probably more factual: "Books published by Belgian and French anti-cult organizations and activists sometimes included Antoinism in their lists of cults, such as [I cite two books here]".
3A: The most extensive study of the history of Antoinism is Dericquebourg's 1993 book Les Antoinistes. I checked the pages which cover the last 70 years (only five pages), and the author says: "La suite de l'histoire de l'antoinisme belge est relativement calme" (p. 25), then "En France, l'histoire du mouvement fut plus calme" (p. 26). The only details provided on this period is the differences between the French and the Belgian temples. As I understand, there was no "key figure" (I don't know if I use the good word...) in Antoinism after Catherine Antoine's death and the direction of the movement has been anonymous until today. So I can't expand more the "1940-present: Continuity of the worship" section, as it appears to me that there is nothing special to add...
3B: I drastically reduced the size of the table of locations and times of worship and removed/merged superfluous details, but I kept it, as these differences seem to be one of the major changes between French and Belgian branches. I hope this is no longer overly focused now.
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