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every gulf has been named after its sea, persian gulf was named after persian sea or pars sea , the correct name is PERSIAN SEA , as persians call it daryayeh Pars wiki is wrong some one fix this missleading information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.73.251 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 15 July 2007
I've changed the above phrase to Iran. The link to Persia didn't seem to be consistent with using modern or present-day names of present-day geographic locations. 4.243.206.153 07:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Queen of the Arabian City reference to Kochi in India
This is ridiculous! the source cited by the author of this reference is an Indian newspaper. Just because one country where the Arabian sea reaches (India) feel that one of their ports is teh "Queen" doesn't make it so. Kochi as the Queen of Arabian sea is vitually unheard of in any of the other countries where the Arabian sea reaches. This reference must be removed....I tried to but the page seems inaccessible due to some maintenance being performed or something...someone please do this virtuous deed and remove this ridiculous reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.143.43 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 7 April 2007
Currently Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-'arab redirect here, and the first sentence says that this is the Arabic name for the Arabian Sea. But there is also a river in Sudan named Bahr al-Arab which sources say is also spelled "Bahr al-'Arab". For example, see: Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-Ghazal at Encyclopædia Britannica Online, As Sudd and Baḩr al Ghazāl at MSN Encarta.
From what little I know of Arabic, "Bahr" (or『Baḩr』more properly) can mean river, lake, or sea. So I wonder if something should be done about this. I realize the Arabian Sea is far more notable than a minor stream in Sudan. On the other hand the stream drains the Darfur region, so it may be of interest these days. Perhaps one of those "for the river in Sudan see..." blurbs? Pfly (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a fine mess. There is going to have to be some disambiguating hing a dinga shimga done. And the article about the river is unsourced. I would tell you to go ahead and add the dab templates, but I'm thinking that Bahr al-Arab should be moved to Bahr al-'AraborBahr al-'arab (or even Baḩr al-A/arab). The first two options would require deleting the existing redirects, and you can't do that unless you are an admin (I can do it). I do want to be able to point to reliable sources for the form of the name. Any thoughts? -- Donald Albury 11:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Heh.. I was planning to add a little to the river article and give a few references.. when I manage to get around to it. I was thinking of maybe adding one of those "for the river..." templates to the top of the Arabian Sea page. I forgot how, but I think I've done it before and it wasn't hard. As for redirects, I thought you could edit the link redirected to without being an admin. And I think you can move pages without being an admin, at least after something like five days of using an account. But not knowing much (anything) about Arabic, it's hard for me to have much of an idea about your naming comments. The NGA geonames source I mentioned seemed to use the same names and spellings (including variants!) for both the sea and the river, if I recall right. Maybe I'll ask for the Arabic on the language ref desk. Maybe transcription of Arabic into the Latin alphabet is too messy for a simple answer. In any case, I could add one of the little disamig blurb templates to this page, but am probably not up for the work of making a full-blown disambig page and fixing all the relevant links etc. Disambig work can be so tedious.. Anyway, I was pleased to see your reply this morning -- somehow I thought this was too esoteric a topic. I have no time today, but wanted to reply before heading out. Later. Pfly (talk) 17:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to move an article to a name that is currently occupied by a redirect, you have to delete the redirect first. Maybe the easiest thing is to convert the redirects at Bahr al-'Arab and Bahr al-'arab to dabs, i.e.,
Ah I read too quickly and misunderstood. Or maybe I assumed one could cut and paste between an article and a redirect, though I guess that make link fixing a pain. In any case, your redirect->dabs idea makes sense. For now I just added a "hatnote" to the two articles. It might be non-ideal, but it was quick and I have to go to bed... Pfly (talk) 08:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Moving articles by cut and paste is a bad idea, as it loses the edit history, which the GFDL requires be preserved. The 'hatnotes' sound fine. Now that I think about it, a disambig page would be overkill. -- Donald Albury 15:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
due to the fact that Indian, Iranian and Pakistani population who live in the coastal areas of this sea is more than its arab population , the name of the sea must change back to PARSYAN SEA or INDIAN sea like it was before.
even Indians ,Iranians ,Pakistanis ,Indonisians and Baluchis consist of 53% of those new arab state population . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.197.66 (talk) 22:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As an Iranian Persian, I feel sorry for you. Historically, Arabian sea is tied to the Arab culture which moved slaves, spices and other things along the routes in this sea (Specially Yemenis were active in the trades.) As the language of the traders there was mostly Arabic (As Iranian's mostly traded by land), the Sea must be in fact called "The Arabian Sea". This has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the name for Persian Gulf though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.169.184 (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What it should be called is irrelevant. This article must reflect what it is called. Bazonka (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be included that this is the final resting place for Osama bin Laden? Adwiii Talk 21:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The-Periplus-of-the-Erythraean-Sea. part 34- 35 -Persian gulf- Persian sea
.[9][10]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maahmaah (talk • contribs) 09:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
that is a very good useful map and had been published in Iranian public website and web loges and have no copy right. in Iran copy right is not applicable to the none private picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
that is a very good useful map and had been published in Iranian public website and web loges and have no copy right. in Iran copy right is not applicable to the none private picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 07:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
^National Atlas of India Abridged Edition Edited by Dr. P.Nag. Lakshadweep sea(Arabian sea). National atlas and thematic mapping organization department of science & technology government of India 2002]
^Ibn Rustah, Kitāb al-A'lāk an-Nafīsa, ed. M. J. De Goeje, Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum [BGA], Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1891/1892. p. 81
^Ajayeb al-Aqalim al-Saba ila Nehayate al-Mara, (Vienne: 1929), p. 59. 9th century AD.
^Nakhoda Bozorg ibn Shahriyar Ramhormozi was another Persian geographer of the classical Islamic era, "Ajayeb al-Hind", ed: M. Davis, Leiden 1886, p. 41
^"Massalek al-Mamalek", ed.: De M.J. Goeje, Leiden 1927, p. 28
^"Muruj adh-dhahab wa ma'adin al-jawhar (The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems)", English Translation by Aloys Sprenger, Vol I, (London: 1841), p. 259
^al-Bad’ wa-l Tarikh, (Paris: 1907) Tom IV, p. 58.
^"The Oriental Geography of Ebn Hawkal", Translated by Sir Williams Ouseley (London: 1800) p. 62; "Surat al-Arḍ"(Leiden 1938), Vol I, p. 42.
^Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma’rifat al-Aqalim. Ed: De A.J. Goeje, (Leiden 1906), p. 17.
^"Al-Tafhim le-awa’el Sena al-Tanjim" ed.: Jalal al-Din Homai (Tehran: 1318 Hijri Sola Calendar), p. 167. Also in "Qanun Masudi"(Heydarabad, 1955), Vol. II. p. 558.
^"Geographic d’Edirisi" traduite de l’Arabe en Francais par P. Amedee Jaulert (Recueil des voyages et des memoires publiees par la Societe de Geographie), (Paris: 1840), Vols. VI and VI. "Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi Ikhtraq al-Afar", (Rome : 1878). p. 9
^"Taqwim al-Buldan", Geographie d’Aboulfeda traduite de l’Arab par M. Reinaud, 2 Vols. (Paris: 1848), Vol 1, p. 23.
^ ab
Quoted also in Mohammad Javad Mashkoor in an article titled "Nam-i Khalij Fars" in the proceeding of the "Seminar on Khalij-e-Fars" (Tehran: 1964). p. 46.
^"Nuzhat al-Qolub", ed: Mohammad Dabir Sayaqi, (Tehran: 1336 Hijri Solar Year), p. 164.
^"The Travels of Ibn Babutta", translated from the abrdiged Arabic MMS of Cambridge by the Rev. Samuel Lee(Cambridgde: 1824), p. 56
the books that have been mentioned are very important and reliable source in the world. you seem to be against any reliable source that mentioned the facts. you think that this sources Are not reliable and you are reliable ?? you should prove it :Yaqut al-Hamawi mentioned it as Akhzar sea [11]Ibn Khordadbeh ,
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i will bring for you many maps and documents please wait — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
06:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Basp1 yep, these are not reliable sources and also original research. The sources you gave in the article were Wikipedia and this blog. The [http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00maplinks/mughal/miscmaps1600s/coronelli/coronelli1693.jpg map also mention the Arabian sea "Mare Arabia", I am not sure if the "Persian sea" was a small sea next to the Arabian sea( possibly the Gulf of Oman since it is located there and not mentioned in the map?). Also I went and checked these what al-Idrisi and forementioned people said and I found that they were referring to the Persian Gulf not the Arabian sea.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(Just to make things clear, Basp1 has edited his first comment adding more images since I replied)
Basp1 These are interesting maps. It appears though that the Gulf of Oman was called Sea of Persia not the Arabian sea. See the maps you posted like this one File:Basra bahrefars.jpg--SharabSalam (talk) 10:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your deletion without reason proved that are not a neutral person and you should not remove my refrences
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″The Arabian Sea has repeatedly changed its name, first called in ancient times the sea of Eritrea, with reference to the sea of Eritrea which bordered it. In the 18th century it was called mar di India, as it appears from a map drawn up in 1707 by a Dutch publisher and bookseller.
Article translated from French. Web link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_d%27Arabie″
--Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Arabian Sea historically and geographically has been referred to with different names by Turks, persian , Arabs and scholars of Geography and cartography in medieval Islam, European geographers and travelers, including [1] :
in Indian folklore,it is referred to as Daria, and Arabi Samudra,(Sindhu Sagar).
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in Pakistan it is called officially Arabian sea and unofficial Macran sea .
In Turkish language Arabinan sea is called as Oman sea[17], this name was used by most of the ottoman geographer such as Piri Reis and Kâtip Çelebi in the『Tuḥfat al-kibār fī asfār al-Bihār』('A Gift to the Great concerning Naval Expeditions') (1656) –The History of the Maritime Wars of the Turks[4] (1831) English translation by James Mitchell.[5][6] referred as Oman sea and also persian sea and some other Ottoman Empire maps were using Bahre Ajam (persian sea)such as in Cihannümâ (Katip Çelebi)
in Iran in the past it was called persian sea but now like the Turkey it is called Oman sea together with the gulf of Oman Encyclopædia Iranica also call it Oman sea [18]
[19] some officials maps of the government uses both Arabian sea and Oman sea
Persian Seaبحر فارس , [20]. According to the books:"The Persian Gulf throughout history" page 6 -7 by Dr Pirouz Mojtahedzadeh[21][22] , "The Persian Gulf, from Ancient Times until Today". and "The History of Shipping in Iran" page42 by Ahmad Eghtedari and the "Documents on the Persian Gulf's name facts" pages 58-84 [23], [24]
^Ibn Rustah, Kitāb al-A'lāk an-Nafīsa, ed. M. J. De Goeje, Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum [BGA], Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1891/1892. p. 81
^Ajayeb al-Aqalim al-Saba ila Nehayate al-Mara, (Vienne: 1929), p. 59. 9th century AD.
^Nakhoda Bozorg ibn Shahriyar Ramhormozi was another Persian geographer of the classical Islamic era, "Ajayeb al-Hind", ed: M. Davis, Leiden 1886, p. 41
^"Massalek al-Mamalek", ed.: De M.J. Goeje, Leiden 1927, p. 28
^"Muruj adh-dhahab wa ma'adin al-jawhar (The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems)", English Translation by Aloys Sprenger, Vol I, (London: 1841), p. 259
^al-Bad’ wa-l Tarikh, (Paris: 1907) Tom IV, p. 58.
^Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma’rifat al-Aqalim. Ed: De A.J. Goeje, (Leiden 1906), p. 17.
^"Al-Tafhim le-awa’el Sena al-Tanjim" ed.: Jalal al-Din Homai (Tehran: 1318 Hijri Sola Calendar), p. 167. Also in "Qanun Masudi"(Heydarabad, 1955), Vol. II. p. 558.
^"Geographic d’Edirisi" traduite de l’Arabe en Francais par P. Amedee Jaulert (Recueil des voyages et des memoires publiees par la Societe de Geographie), (Paris: 1840), Vols. VI and VI. "Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi Ikhtraq al-Afar", (Rome : 1878). p. 9
^"Taqwim al-Buldan", Geographie d’Aboulfeda traduite de l’Arab par M. Reinaud, 2 Vols. (Paris: 1848), Vol 1, p. 23.
^ ab.Quoted also in Mohammad Javad Mashkoor in an article titled "Nam-i Khalij Fars" in the proceeding of the "Seminar on Khalij-e-Fars" (Tehran: 1964). p. 46.
^"Nuzhat al-Qolub", ed: Mohammad Dabir Sayaqi, (Tehran: 1336 Hijri Solar Year), p. 164.
^"The Travels of Ibn Babutta", translated from the abrdiged Arabic MMS of Cambridge by the Rev. Samuel Lee(Cambridgde: 1824), p. 56
Many atlases had published old maps of Asia and Indian ocean such as Atlas of The Arabian Peninsula in Old European Maps.Paris, 424pp. contains 253 maps.10 maps have used persian Sea (for the body of water which is now called Arabian sea)the maps in pages: -141-226-323-322-331-345-347-363-355•[43] such as the hours shape map of Bunting H.S.Q34/24CM Hanover,1620. [1]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ibuap, would you care to explain what you mean here? I'm not sure i understand what you object to in the edit i deletion i reverted. Seems to me that a section on alternate names, especially for a body of water which has had them over the years, is reasonable ~ i am quite happy to learn and to discuss, it's just that i need to know the parameters to begin with. Thanks. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 14:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, as every gulf has been named after its sea, this sea is technically referred to as the Persian Sea, not that 'arabian sea'. Secondly, as a massive significant minority, all Persians around the globe and the Iranian ethnic groups and their descendants, potentially more than just that, refer to this body of water as “the Persian Sea” it is necessary and unavoidable to put the term “Persian Sea” as the lead of the article or as an alternative name for it. 151.241.254.19 (talk) 10:49, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]