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I would fix it myself, but I don't know a word about the life of this guy... --euyyn 21:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that there's no info in wikipedia about them: Royalists Venizelists --euyyn 21:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
there is something i don't understand: the turks allow only ethnic greeks with turkish citizenship by birth to become patriarch. athenagoras was born in epirus, when it was still ottoman - is this the reason, why he was accepted a turkish citizen by birth?? and then, patriarch constantins VI. election was not accepted by the turks and he was expelled because they considered him a subject to the population-exchange as he was from outside istanbul (see http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=86). why did they accept athenagoras who had much less "connection" with turkey? maybe somebody with competence can explain. --Severino (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If he was born on 8 September 1914(1914-09-08) and died on July 7, 1972 he would not be (aged 86) as the page says...he would be 57. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.184.221 (talk) 09:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Partially reverted sneaky removal of an inline citation which set the alarm into the admins to protect the page. Left everything else equal. --Sulmues Let's talk 20:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
albanians in pogoni..? i dont know but it seems doubtful...athenagoras might have also been of vlach origins if i remember well but its clear that he was greek (yeah yeah i know as a figure he transcends ethnic and national borders)..87.202.15.183 (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nice job (again) 87.x, no wonder I've found a nice source that confirms this.Alexikoua (talk) 15:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is a book about his village, Vasiliko(Tsaraplana):"Βασιλικό (Τσαραπλανά) Πωγωνίου Ο τόπος, η ιστορία και το γλωσσικό ιδίωμα".It refers to the history and the local idiom of the village which was not arvanitika or albanian.So the other source that says he was albanian is misleading.In the area of Pogoni there were greek and aromanian speaking villages.Even today the villages of this part of Pogoni which belongs to Albania (Tsiatista,Polichani,Sopiki,Shoriades,Hlomo) are greek speaking villages,in the area of the greek minority in Albania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giorgovasilis (talk • contribs) 12:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...and User:Zjarri. some months later makes the revert without stating the reason in the discussion page, per wp:ninja. Hope there is a good reason now to remove a source that's not suitable with our national standarts.Alexikoua (talk) 17:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Patriarch Athenagoras could only be elcted because Patriarch Maximus was forced to resign. Athgenagoras was not an Orthodox Patriarch like Maximus but the Patriarch of the CIA, the WWC and the Papists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.6.254.91 (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this book is a clear case of tertiary source and should be ommited from being used in Wikipedia per WP:TERTIARY. Also, if there is no secondary source that claims that Athenagoras was born to a Greek family, than this claim should be removed.Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
nothing in WP:TERTIARY forbids the use of reliable tertiary publications. the book you think should be omitted is the only reliable source available that gives details on the early life of Athenagoras (plus, the Current Biography series is way better than the "secondary sources" I've seen that label Athenagoras an "X-ian" but are suspiciously silent on giving details about his early life and family). keep out the wikilawyering and just keep the facts. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.35.114 (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
your wikilawyering won't accomplish anything since this has nothing to do WP:IDONTLIKEIT and everything to do with WP:RS. the obviously pro-Albanian "secondary source" (i.e. Broun) you reinserted only mentions Athenagoras in passing and provides no details about his early life and family. until you find a secondary (or tertiary) source that labels him an "X-ian" with accurate details to back up the label, I'm afraid that the "secondary source" you love so much is not reliable (a secondary source isn't reliable just because it's a secondary source). also, the Current Biography series meets all the requirements of WP:RS and should not be removed just because "you don't like it". but you're right that a secondary source should be included which is why I added a reliable secondary source that regards Athenagoras a "Greek archbishop" which flat out nullifies your "secondary source" that falsely labels him a member of the "Albanian (ethnic/religious) diaspora" (if Athenagoras was an "Albanian", he would have been regarded as an "Albanian archbishop" in every book on the planet before becoming an Ecumenical Patriarch). i'll say it again, keep out the wikilawyering and just keep the facts. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.43.24 (talk) 18:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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