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According to your article Baba Farid seems to have settled in Punjab with his family in the aftermath of Mongolian invasion of Kabul. The article states their date of settlement around 1125. Now, this is a well-known historical fact that Mongol invaded Kabul around 1222 on their way to destroy the Khawarzami Sultanate. Genghis Khan (real name Temujin) was born on 1162 then how he manages to invade Kabul in 1125.
On the chronology front, in one place the article mentions Shaik Shoaib to be Baba Farid’s grandfather who escapes Kabul to settle in Punjab, and a few lines later the same Shaik Shoaib is stated to be Baba Farid’s father.
Again in relation to Shaik Shoaib’s ancestral history, the article mentions him as the nephew of Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi. This is another serious mistake because Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi lived in the 10th Century and Shaik Shoaib lived in the 12th century.
In line with Wikipedia convention of naming articles (no honorifics), I think the correct title should be "Fariduddin Masood". Redirects can be created from Ganjshakar, Shakarganj, Baba Farid, Baba Fareed, etc etc Hassanfarooqi14:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about this, but renaming to "fariduddin masood" would make it unrecognizable. No one knows him as "masood", but if you say ganjshakar/shakargunj, then one know exactly who is being referred to. In that sense, Ganjshakar is not an honorific as much as it is an identifier. Precedents for this on wikipedia are for example Alexander the Great, Suleiman the MagnificentorAlfred the Great. In each of these cases, the honorific is an identifier to let us know exactly who is being discussed. So I suggest just keeping the title as is. --Barastert14:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Baba Farid was a Muslim saint (1173–1266) while Sikhism was founded by Nanak (1469–1538), Baba Farid was dead for 400 years before Sikhism was even founded. How can he be a Sikh ? The Sikh gurus took his selective works added into Granth Sahib and revered him. The fact remain he was Muslim saint. There is a section in Fariduddin Ganjshakar page about his reverence in Sikhism. Paknur (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Paknur. I was fine with most of your edits. This man has great importance in Sikhism as he was chosen to be one of the 15 Sikh Bhagats by the founder of Sikhism. For this reason, there is no reason for you to remove the Shahmukhi and Gurmukhi Punjabi scripts from or the lead or the Sikh Bhagats template from the article. In addition, in the lead, you also delinked Punjab from Punjab regiontoPunjab (Pakistan) when the division did not exist during that time period. Today, the saint is also revered in Indian Punjab making the former terminology more correct. In fact, there is an Indian university named after him. In addition, I never stated that Baba Farid was a Sikh; in fact I removed the Indian Sikhs category from the article as I found it to be erroneous. I also formated a reference which you undid. For these reasons, I am reverting your edits. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk18:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
/* Life */ Removed the line that says he was the grandson of Ibn Adham. How can that be?They lived 8 centuries apart. Did you mean Descendent ? Needs substantiation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuadaj (talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Per WP:COMMONNAME, simply "Baba Farid" is easily the most recognisable name for this person. The older discussion above references a policy against honorifics in titles, but I think exceptions can be made in cases where recognition is impeded. We have article titles like Alexander the Great for example. عُثمان (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@عُثمان You raise a valid point. According to Google Books, "Baba Farid" is far, far more common than "Fariduddin Ganjshakar". Please see here. I will support a request to re-name the article as a result in-accordance to WP:COMMONNAME. I believe honorifical terms such as "Baba" are permitted to be part of an article if they are part of a common name. ThethPunjabi (talk) 02:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
He's definitely more popularly known as Baba Farid than Fariduddin Ganjshakar in both sources and in the Punjab region in general. Baba isn't simply an honorific in this case, it's an integral part of who he's known as. EstablishmentOfKnowledge (talk) 23:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.