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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Discussions: Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, 13 January 2012, diff Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 Bangladesh atrocities, 16 January 2012, diff Unilateral, 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, 28 February 2013, diff Requested move March 2013 (1), 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 Bangladesh war crimes, Technical close with an administrative move back to previous name 1971 Bangladesh atrocities, diff Requested move March 2013 (2), 1971 Bangladesh atrocities → 1971 Bangladesh genocide, Moved, 8 March 2013, Requested move June 2013, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → 1971 East Pakistan genocide, Not moved, 3 June 2013, Requested move 08 August 2014, 1971 Bangladesh Genocide → Bengali Genocide, Not moved, 8 August 2014, Requested move 12 March 2017, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → Bengali genocide, Not moved, 12 March 2017, Requested move 9 January 2023, 1971 Bangladesh genocide → Bangladesh genocide, Moved, 9 January 2023

@Worldbruce: This 3 million figure has been debunked. Read this article. "the official Bangladeshi estimate of “3 lakhs” (300,000) was wrongly translated into English as 3 million". That appears to be the case. Ratnahastin (talk) 10:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll agree that many sources show skepticism about the 3 million figure, but I don't think "translation" is necessarily where the error came from. The blog post (?) by Khan that you linked literally cites Wikipedia; the original source appears to be this letterbySerajur Rahman, but Rahman is far from certain that Mujib got the 3 million figure from him (Whether he mistranslated "lakh" as "million" or his confused state of mind was responsible I don't know). David Bergman notes in [1] and [2] that the 3 million figure came from Pravda (quoting Syed Anwarul Karim) and denies that Rahman was the source. Pravda first reported the 3 million figure on 3 January 1972 [3], while Rahman met Mujib five days later (8 January 1972), so this seems quite plausible.

That being said, just saying 300,000 to 500,000 deaths doesn't really represent what reliable sources say either; there are plenty that give other estimates. Most sources also highlight the significant uncertainty surrounding the death toll, so providing such a narrow range suggests a precision in the number of victims that doesn't exist.

• Rummel 1994: Within 267 days it killed about 1,500,000 people
• Kiernan 2007: Pakistan's Islamic military regime murdered probably 300,000 and possibly 1 million fellow Muslims and minority Hindus in Bangladesh in 1971.
• Debnath 2009: The systematic violence and widespread destruction executed by the Pakistani army, with the assistance of local supporters, ... resulted in the deaths of at least 1 million Bengalis.
• Beachler 2011: The campaign of murder, rape, and pillage that continued until December 1971 caused 1 to 3 million deaths.
• Gerlach 2018: It can hardly have exceeded one million and is likely to have been slightly higher than 500,000.
• Jahan 2022: Estimates of the number of victims vary greatly, from 300,000 to 3 million.
• Jones 2023: At least one million Bengalis, perhaps as many as three million, were massacred by the security forces of West Pakistan, assisted by local allies.

In my opinion, the lead should emphasize this uncertainty—maybe something like this would be better: Estimates of the death toll vary widely, from 300,000 deaths to over 1 million. Bangladeshi authorities claim that 3 million were killed. Malerisch (talk) 11:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kindly change the description from "1971 genocide of Bengalis by Pakistan" to "1971 genocide of Bengalis by Pakistan Army". And please, also remove the Category:Persecution of Hindus by Muslims, because although the main target were Hindus, the Bengali Muslims were also targeted by the Pakistan army in this genocide. Therefore, the Category:Massacres of Bengali Hindus in East Pakistan is sufficient there. I think that Category:Persecution of Bengali Muslims should also be added in the article. 103.169.65.150 (talk) 18:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, these requests don't need any source.

For example;

1):- The article's short description; "1971 genocide of Bengalis by Pakistan" is WP:NPOV, according to me and most of the readers. Therefore, I requested it to be changed that to "1971 genocide of Bengalis by Pakistan Army".

2):- And It is the established history that all Bengalis were the target in this genocide, regardless of their religion. All Bengalis whether being Muslims or Hindus were suffered in this attack. However, yes the main target were Hindu Bengalis in this attack. That's why I requested the above mentioned categories to be added.

Kindly accept my requests. Thanks. 103.169.65.150 (talk) 15:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the sentence where it says “especially Bengali Hindus”, it’s not factual. Bengali Hindus were one of the least targeted people. It was the actual Bangladeshi people who were targeted, the Bangladeshis who reside in Bangladesh now and are Muslim. Please do not take away the sacrifice of the Bangladeshi people by stating that. 24.51.233.131 (talk) 13:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bengali Hindus were one of the least targeted people.

not true a lot of Hindus were killed. They were taping Hindu woman, checking Hindu man dicks to kill them. Etc.

and Muslims were safe already.

you are the one who is denying Hindu genocide. 163.53.181.201 (talk) 06:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why did a writer delete the word 'especially' and add the word 'including' in the 1st sentence? The word 'especially' sounds better there. Weren’t hindus especially targeted? Use the word 'especially' there. Science, History & Politics (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]