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This page needs a huge amount of information added. For instance, what colour was he? Was he a stallion or a gelding? There are innumerable amounts of info to be added. MorwenofLossarnarch 13:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Who cares? Horserasing is just a glorified parlor game.
You must have some parlor. :) --- How about some more information about these 'super horses'? I find the mention of that topic quite fascinating. FarFromHomeFish 05:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Was he a stallion or a gelding?" - MorwenofLossarnarch
Since there is still the possibility of his being put out to stud, he obviously can't be a gelding.
he was a stallion Oh and if you guys would read a little closer it does tell you what color he was and it does tell you he was a stud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.35.204.78 (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It would be good to have a photo of Barbaro/Prado just after the fracture... I haven't kept up with copyright issues. Are online newspaper photos still considered Fair Use? If so, I have a good one from the Baltimore Sun. JDG 19:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what vantage point the captions are referring to... but it was definitely his right leg that was injured.. but the arrow is pointing to his left, and the 2nd picture doesn't show him favoring that leg..
That's because he was still running Punk18
He may be looking at the wrong horse. Barbaro is the one in back whose jockey has green sleeves.--Syd Henderson 23:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the life threat from a broken leg, other than blood loss? Is it different for horses than for humans? Also, why is it that other horses with comparable injuries are usually put down, while Barbaro was not? Is it because of the potential future stud fees? That seems cold. Phr (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another reason for racehorse euthanasia is because you must think " racehorses are very young animals 3 yrs old (yes in horse years that is about teen yrs in human but it its still there toddler age) is still very young and there bones are not completely developed therefore legs break easier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.35.204.78 (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't the vets and race officials find out how Barbaro injured himself? I think I saw an article stating that they saw Brother Derek's front leg trip Barbaro up. Punk18H
Horses cannot purposley trip others , but it could have been a foul, Brother dereks leg could have swayed out a little ways looking like he purosley tripped barbaro but think about it a horse can not purposely trip another horse and like i said it could have been a foul
69.228.34.119 17:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)The shift of "blame" for the accident to contact with Brother Derek seems an attempt of the Pimlico officials to dodge (rather spurious) allegations that the track vet did not really examine the horse after the false start. There is no footage that shows this alleged contact, no film with camera angles capable of showing such contact, and, most importantly, neither jockey thinks it happened either.[reply]
Today someone added a paragraph about Barbaro's latest setbacks, including the comment that he is still not "out of the woods", and ending with this sentence:
His appetite remains strong and he remains as active as he can under the circumstances, however, since his value as a stud remains tied to his ability to mount a female in a natural way, the healing of his leg is necessary for the owners to capitalize on this animal's post race career value.
--I thought that natural breeding wasn't used anymore, because of the risk to the stallion. Wouldn't they use artificial insemination? Or is that needed for the collection too. --Naelphin 15:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I realize that Barbaro is "only" a horse and therefore not necessarily entitled to the same "sensitivity" as a human being, but in light of the fact that his life is still in danger, do we really need to be speculating on his future ability to "get it on" with female horses? Or perhaps more to the point, on his monetary value in the future? Can we see if he survives first? 6SJ7 20:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We do not need the day-by-day report. Let us sum up what happened immedidately after the injury and *sigh*, the up-to-day status. This has far too newsy a feel to it. We do not know if this vigil we are keeping a death watch or not.
If I had my druthers, I think it would be better if we imposed a rule on ourselves like: "No information that is less than 3 days old". In other words: no daily status. Such information is not going to survive in the long run so it is not encyclopedic. I will be sorry if the horse does not live out the month, BUT, we need to keep things in perspective that supposedly, "Wikipeida is not a newspaper." Except that our Main Page has an "In the News" section (which I have always thought is a bad idea because it encourages such short-term thinking).
If you ever looked at Source Watch, you will see that it is not very good prose because it often reduced down to just a string of quotes. Wikipedia is supposed to speak in its own authoritative voice and procse and provide supporting documentation via footnotes. -- 75.26.3.87 20:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If there is one thing we should get rid of, it is all of this speculation. If the vet said one day that the horse's prognosis is bad and the next day the horse is doing fine, then the vet was maybe correct for that day, but in the long run, he was wrong. Tough luck. One of our jobs is to smooth out these ups and downs if there is any possibility that the vet was wrong. The vet is only human. Without a meter like a stock market ticker on the horse's prognosis, we have to chaulk up these dramatic press conferences to human error (and the limitations of technology and human ability) and move on. -- 75.26.3.87 20:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is supposed to report in its own authoritative voice. If info is learned after the fact, then just plow it back into the narrative, rather than all these silly quotes. -- 75.26.3.87 21:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Given the revert war/blanking from these IP's, I requested semi protection at WP:RPP. I hope that was appropriate. Phr (talk) 10:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, someday we will have to change the tense of the verbs to past tense. Naturally, we all hope that Barbero does survive and that the editing of that section will be easy, but it seems we have a difficult wait ahead of us. AP reported two hours ago that Barbaro has good night, remains stable -- 64.175.41.243 17:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I hope no one minds that I added Your Host to this section. It might give people hope for Barbaro to know that another horse survived as severe an injury with even less of chance. I also thought it was appropriate to connect these two horses for anyone with an interest in the lives of race horses. Not only did Your Host make it, he sired Kelso! --Ki Longfellow 15:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See folks? "Concern for Barbaro" is not encyclopedic. It is merely contemporary fluff — it does not stand the test of time. And the writing in that section was beautiful. But to any mind with the more mature judement than a 14-year-old girl, it was misguided. Thems the breaks. BTW: The good reports just keep on coming in: Barbaro has new growth in left hoof but NPOV sez: How nice, but so what? -- 64.175.41.143 12:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, emphasis is mine. I have removed the bold bit from the article, because of its style. If someone who's knowledgeable could rewrite it and add it back (or make the article more NPOV) please feel free to do so. Thank you. --Kjoonlee 17:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the Dog Food reference.
This article might benefit from a paragraph that discusses the larger truths that the physician faces in managing a horse injury like this. The issues seem to be:
Also, it has been stressed recently that the horses condition is like a house of cards: if only one leg fails entirely and that leg cannot be maintained to bear at least some weight, then all hope for a dignified life for the animal is lost because, even though he can be kept alive "in bed", he will either die of pnuemonia, requiring constant pain and infection suppression, or he will live until his other legs atrophy. You can have a "lame" horse with a bad foot, but there is no such thing as a three-legged horse in the way that we occasionally have seen three-legged dogs. That is the Nature of the beast. We should somehow inform the reader of these truths (I am not really qualified, but there has got to be a "horse person" or vet who can competently describe the situation). In past eras, that is why they simply shot horses with a broken leg: if this had happened thrity years ago, then such a horse might have simply been put down that day. -- 71.141.246.35 17:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not report this story in quotes. It has suffered from "quote-itis" since the horse broke its leg. Report facts in Wikipedia's own authentic voice and point to supporting documents. And use the <ref> tags for links in the prose. -- 71.141.224.144 18:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You state that the owners of Barbaro are from "Edgemont", in Delaware County, PA. The actual spelling of the town is "Edgmont". There is only one "e" in the name. I know it looks weird, but I'm from there, so I promise you- it's Edgmont.
8 months in a equine "ICU" is an extraordinarily large amount of effort to save any one horse. The lead section should probably note this, since the average reader might not be aware of this fact. -- 199.33.32.40 20:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get that "emotion" stuff in one place? It is currently both in Trivia and "public reaction". -- 199.33.32.40 02:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I added a paragraph that mentions Deadspin and the various other sources of negativity towards Barbaro, his doctor, his owners and his supporters. I think it's very balanced. Catherine Huebscher 11:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Deadspin blog sports page has been planting various covert links to their nasty and insulting articles on Barbaro. Most of what they write celebrates barbaro's pain and death with low brow racist, sexist frat boy 'sensibility.' Please delete anything they leave here including 'Sports human of the year award' and links to their putrid blogs which they had at the top of external links.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 02:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
low brow racist, sexist frat boy sensibility. Deadspin doesn't care about Bay horses. Zzz345zzZ 16:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Great, then take your nasty links about Barbaro and your poorly written articles and leave wikipedia. Deadspin has a typical post modern way of being satrical; tired jokes and an 'I only grew up with Mtv and vh1' sense of pop culture. My own opinion about Deadspin aside, you have no right to be putting your joke honors on this article, just the fact that you placed a link at the top of externals shows how unprofessional you are. Remark after remark about Barbaro on your site is nasty and just reeks of post- modernism. Their is a paucity of intellect not to mention good sportsmanship eg: An entire blog was spent insulting the messages left at New Bolton Center by Barbaro's well wishers-get a life many of you said.Ha! Catherine Huebscher 16:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not just one post, but many. And it is important to note that it is not the actual horse that is being made fun of, but the crazies who think the horse can read all the cards that you send him, or figure out how to work the internet to visit his message board. Maybe you people should spend more time sending letters to actual PEOPLE who can read and appreciate them instead of a horse who's only thoughts are food, run, and mares. The only reason the owners kept this horse alive for months suffering in a giant sling was to make more money, not out of the kindness of their hearts. As far as a "joke honor", it is just as real as the Time Person of the Year, and you have no business deciding which honors are deemed "worthy". Unlike you, I do not pretend to be a "professional", and nobody editing Wikipedia is, as none of us get paid for the job. I am just trying to give your beloved horse the credit he is due.Zzz345zzZ 19:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your squalid online rag means nothing outside of the keg parties and girl gone wild fans and has no place on this article along side the Kentucky Derby honors. Dead spin has no status-have some b*lls and get attention another way without exploitation. Your above diatribe just proves how fixated you are on Barbaro anyway and proves you need to elsewhere. YOU ARE NOT A LEGITIMATE MAGAZINE! NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT DEADSPIN and NO ONE CARES! Catherine Huebscher 12:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
6 million unique page visits a month. Not exactly unknown. Has been written about and acclaimed in many more mainstream publications such as ESPN and Sports Illustrated. That would lend a note to some of its credibility. Get with the times, the internet and blogs are the wave of the future while hardcope newspapers and magazines are on the way out. Just ask Presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton who announced their candidacy via blog. Or Speaker Pelosi who had an exclusive press conference with ONLY online bloggers invited. Look at all the fun things you can learn at keg parties and by watching girls gone wild 4 hours a day. SPRING BREAK CANCUN 07 NO REGRETS!!!22:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
"And it is important to note that it is not the actual horse that is being made fun of." No, a cheap photoshoped picture of Barbaro surrounded by Elmer's glue angels is not making fun of him. Catherine Huebscher 11:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Look, I don't know DeadSpin from a hole in the ground and I'm an avid sports fan, but I totally support their opinion that this Barbaro thing is completely stupid. Think about the loads of money that have been poured into a horse and the gambling industry. If you were told that millions and millions of dollars could be spent on improving schools, finding a cure for cancer, funding charities or supporting gambling, I can tell you that you would want any alternative than fueling gambling. If you think that horse racing is about the beauty of the horses, good for you but you are sorely mistaken, it's about making money baby. I have to say I respect that the horse owners are business people but I really feel that the money and attention given to this issue is just rediculous. As a friend put it to me, "Barbaro was a great horse with a lot of love," I say "phooey." The fact that the American public would rather support the sensationalized image of a horse that is a figurehead for business than support social progress or even, hell a pool in my backyard, at least that will satisfy my friends and I and not make people go bankrupt on bad bets.... In the context of this article, however, I feel that to uphold Wikipedia's pillars, if this article is going to praise Barbaro, it should be open to criticism of the horse and its rehabilition. Stephen 06:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I love how intimidated men are by Barbaro, its so pathetic! You forgot to mention the war in Iraq, guess what ? People like variety of things and horses happen to be one of them. Like Sea Biscuit, Misty etc Barbaro is now a legend. Deadspin is a lowgrade operation with little history and no class, its down there with Maxin, FHM and John Rocker, Deadspin's great Beacon of racist hope. Deadspin honors do not belong next to storied sport honors like the Kentucky Derby. The way these boys defend Deadspin is so pitiful. It reminds me of the dumb jock/coach syndrome in High School. Catherine Huebscher 11:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I now realize how powerful they are but online blog magazines simply don't have the established status as awards givers to be alongside Barbaro's racing honors-not yet anyway. The next decade or so I'm sure will see a huge shift towards online reality but while ball sports might be largely there already, old school sports like horse racing are still very much about the old school. If you want to add Sportshuman Award thingy into the public reaction section then okay but it was not an award given by decent,classy people. Deadspin can't be taken seriously if they are publishing photoshop glue angels alongside Barbaro and then claim they have respect for 'the horse.' That whole "I want it both ways blunt culture" is too flightly and anti-intellectual. (eg: Deadspins' "Negro Bowl") Deadspin needs to own what they do and take responsibility for the fact they are basicallly just ball loving goofballs. It was very sneaky of them to come on to this article and put a link to their mag at the top of the External links. Sneaky denotes immaturity.... AND OMG!! A lot of Barbaro's fans are really hot, did you notice my work on the Russ Meyer article? I practically wrote that whole thing because I have the measurements to understand his work-I'm very sexy and beautiful and I'm sought after on YouTube! I'm happy with the additions to the public reaction section and would like to call a truce on this and wish everyone well. Catherine Huebscher 12:15, Feb 1 2007 (UTC)
Please listen to DR. Richardson at today's press conference and you will know the complete story about why he was put down- BARBARO HAD LAMINITIS IN BOTH FRONT LEGS! I'm going to change it again, please do not erase!!
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 02:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I know this is an emotional time for Barbaro's fans and well-wishers, but we must keep in mind that this should be encyclopedic - recent changes have made the article more of an essay or even a eulogy than an encyclopedia entry. The emotion is understandable as it has only been one day, but remember that now is when the article is the most visible. Mdeaton 19:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone drum up information on how much medical care and how much it cost to try to save this horse? I am not asking for a rationalization, just information. --Lincoln F. Stern 20:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
-- 199.33.32.40 00:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think that we will have to keep an eye on how this animal's death might change the sport. Nothing has happened yet, but this article seems like a thoughtful musing: Barbaro's death: Equine beauty meets harsh reality Jan. 30, 2007 -- 199.33.32.40 00:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This needs to be cleaned up. Right now it reads like a blog of the horse's day to day checkups. Something that weeds out the more useless info and keeps the major difficulties needs to be done. Zzz345zzZ 06:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are a lot of things that should be weeded out. [[User:# Catherine Huebscher|# Catherine Huebscher]] 06:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Laminitis affects a horse's hooves, not his legs. I've read of it described - the hoof is a sort of giant "fingernail" - as the feeling a person would have if his fingernails were being slowly torn off; horrible, excruciatingly painful. Once it's developed in a hind hoof, a horse will naturally shift weight to his other side, and front feet, but he needs all four legs to support his weight. The additional weight alone can cause laminitis to develop in the newly-taxed hooves; a vicious cycle that is often what leads to horses having to be put down. Laminitis was what ultimately caused Secretariat's death, as well. Salice McCool (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have temporarily protected this page due to pretty out of control edit warring over the inclusion of Deadspin's award.
Please discuss the issue here by presenting reasons based on our policies and guidelines, rather than with accusations of trolling or vandalism. Obviously, this is not simple IP vandalism or spam, but a content dispute. Please take the next couple of hours to work this out. Or at least take a break to cool down for a bit. Kafziel Talk 06:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm one of the people who are against the SHOTY award, because IMHO it's a clear case of satire and/or mockery. The language used in describing the SHOTY award was at times POV as well. IMHO SHOTY does not belong at the Barbaro article, although it could be allowed to stay at the Deadspin article if it's clearly indicated that it is a satire, and not a prestigeous award. --Kjoonlee 00:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not about your tiny website and don't give out advice to me it's not asked for nor respected, this is about whether or not SHOTY award should be on this article. I mentioned the printing of my mom's name as an example of how 'high schoolish' your website is. Your web honors are light years behind The Razzies largely because of the sloppy way you conduct yourselves. Kafziel should note that The Razzies are nearly 27 years old and run as foundation, how could Deadspin SHOTY award even begin to measure up? Catherine Huebscher
Excuse me, I have POSTED NO anti-Deadspin rants outside of Wikipedia, so please do not vilify me. DEADSPIN POSTED THOSE ABOUT ME which they pasted from wikipedia, got it? Read and research before you point fingers okay, isn't that what you've been trying to tell me Kafziel? Catherine Huebescher
List of Barbaro articles from The Onion
Dickhead Barbaro Yet to Respond to a Single One of His Get-Well Notes
List of Barbaro articles from SportsPickle.com
I'll work on getting more while a decision on how to include them is made. Zzz345zzZ 23:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, I have POSTED NO anti-Deadspin rants outside of Wikipedia, so please do not vilify me. DEADSPIN POSTED THOSE ABOUT ME when they pasted my quotes from wikipedia, got it? Read and research before you point fingers okay, isn't that what you've been trying to tell me Kafziel? Catherine Huebescher
I'm doing great, never a headache.Maybe you should step away from your's Catherine Huebescher
They tend to read like a play-by-play of what was happening. It was fine the day the news broke, but the horse has been dead for awhile and most of the info is 6+months old. Tenses need changing and there is lots of superfluous info and predictions throughout that portion of the article.Zzz345zzZ 04:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
if you're going to single out deadspin for being so negative, some sort of citation should be made to explain why it's worse than the cnnsi, yahoo, etc articles talking similarly about the cult of personality around Barbaro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.107.96.14 (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Deadspin needs to be off this page entirely. they came on here as a joke in the first place. catherine
if you are going to delete the deadspin reference then you have to delete the razzies also.
I have heard that some of Barbaro's sperm was taken and he now has a three month old foal. My friend and mom told me. I'm pretty sure it's true. 5/4/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.62.247.136 (talk) 02:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
You are probably thinking of his baby broher: Barbaro's newborn brother long on legs and spunk May 2, 2007 . That is marginal.--03:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.221.187.96 (talk)
It is highly unlikely that it is true. The Jockey Club does not allow for Thoroughbred horses born via artificial means to race, therefore it is almost never done. A stud must cover a mare in a natural mating process to be registered -- and that's it.(Keycap (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)).[reply]
Not even highly unlikely. It isn't true. He was too injured to collect sperm. And even if he had been...the claim in May was that he had a 3 month old foal. Which means the foal would have been born in February. The normal gestation period for a mare is 340 days. Barbaro was injured on 5/20/2006. If they got the semen from him that day (which would have been insanely cruel, considering how semen in horses is collected - the horse mounts an artificial mare) and inseminated a mare, the gestation period would have been around 200 days. --SmashvilleBONK! 23:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Should the Barbaro Fund be mention in the Article. I've heard i mention quite a bit.ShadowWriter 18:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop adding "Barbaro's brother was born in 2007"...it's irrelevant...well, for one reason...because Barbaro has another full brother and a half brother. Smashville 17:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Should the Honors, Memorial and Legacy section be combined? It seems like there is no clear rule about what kind of information belongs where.
Races (like at Delaware and Pimlico) named after him, etc... where do you put that? Under Memorial or Honor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.243.99.90 (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have had my addition to the Book Section removed by a user who thinks the book is "non-notable". According to the notablily requirements, the book is indeed notable. Racing industry publications have reviewed the book as being a worthy addition to the literature regarding Barbaro and even his co-owner, Gretchen Jackson, wrote the afterword to the book. The last removal of the book listing was labeled as removing "spam". It is not spam to list the book, and to relist it after it is erroneously removed, is it?
Granted, I am new at this, so I would like some assistance with determining how to keep the addition of this book in the section of Books on the Barbaro page.
The book is: Brown, Alex (2011). Greatness and Goodness: Barbaro and his Legacy. Glen View Media. ISBN 978-0-9832139-0-1.
Thanks in advance for any assistance understanding why this is happening and how to resolve the issue. SouthernFox (talk) 02:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Barbaro's rear right leg was shattered into 20 pieces. The pictures of him on the track protecting his broken leg are heart-breaking. He trusted his humans to take care of him, but did they? If he were a human and given the choice, he probably would consented to the operation and some treatment for laminitis in his left rear leg. Once the treatment of the lamitis in his left rear leg was unsuccessful (they kept cutting away his hoof, which wasn't re-growing) and he developed new complications (an absess) in his apparently healed right rear leg, he might have decided to end it all had he been given the choice. Instead, the owners and the vet decided to wait until he developed laminitis in both of his front legs. Laminitis is a hideously painful affliction.
This article says that Richardson had not used the LCP on a horse before but here is a quote from the Smithsonian magazine:
But Richardson had an ally, a narrow, stainless-steel bar with 16 threaded screw holes. Inserting plates with screws beneath the skin to stabilize human bones is common, and it's been done as long as 35 years in horses. But in the past few years, Synthes Inc. of West Chester, Pennsylvania, has developed the locking compression plate (LCP), a particularly secure and effective type. No equine surgeon had more experience with it than Richardson. (Emphasis added.) http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/barbaro.html#ixzz1hZ6woPRH
I wonder how much pain was inflicted on this poor animal because of the vet's ego. I know that other vets disagreed with the duration of Barbaro's treatment. I will try to find links for other renowned vets criticism of treatment and insert a section in the article dealing with this issue. Also, since Barbaro had no control over his treatment, I wonder how he can be considered brave. He was not a human being, he was an animal who followed basic animal instincts (sniffing for mares, grazing). Bravery involves choice and Barbaro had no choice. Barbaro was hospitalized in his stall for 8 months. They claim he never suffered, but I wonder... FrancisDane (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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There is a horse named Barbaro in Dumas's "The Count of Monte Cristo." Is there a source connecting this fictional horse to the real one? If so, is it worth a mention in the article? Ishboyfay (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]