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It's even debatable whether NHH is a "business school" in the strict sense of the word. Compared to similar programs around the world, its curriculum places more emphasis on economics than traditional management topics, and it's no accident that it styles itself "Norwegian School of Business and Economics." Second, contending that it is the leading business school invites unnecessary contention. The Norwegian School of Management - among others - would claim they are the leading school, and we'd have a pissing match on our hands. I have no axe to grind on this - didn't attend either of the schools and have friends from each. --Leifern 12:14, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
To write that the people of Bergen are snobbish and look down on the people from the surrounding countryside is an opinion and not in any way objective. The person to have written this has clearly manifested a personal view in a dictionary. I personally find the opinions to be incorrect.--Martin253 15:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC+2)
Actually, much of what used to be "Strileland" now belongs to the municipality of Bergen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.132.80 (talk) 09:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've replaced the recently deleted image『View of Bergen from Fløyen』with one I found on Commons. I believe it was shot from Fløyen but I'm not sure, so it would be nice if someone could check.
Do we need more images of Bergen? I might be able to provide a few more GFDL'd ones.--GrafZahl 08:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly looks like it was taken from Fløyen. I can't imagine where else it could have been taken from. Gazza1685 21:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yepp, it´s taken from Fløyen.
Three points about the pictures on this page: Firstly; there is no picture of the most famous buildings in Bergen: "Bryggen"! -well, not of the "old" UNESCO World Heritage Site anyway, (only of the "new" non-UNESCO Site). Should´t there be one?
Secondly: I have looked at the articles of some of the old Italian towns..they can be very beautiful..using old very decorative pictures of the town. Can we not do the same for Bergen? I´m thinking, of course, especially on the Scholeus print (from 1590) -that was the first view of any Norwegian town. Very decorative & and informative. (And we don´t have to worry too much about copyright violations! :-D ).
Thirdly: The one thing visitors to Bergen seems to comment on is the "old quarters of white, wooden houses surround the centre, notably Nordnes, Marken and Sandviken." Should there perhaps be an illustration of such a quarter? Huldra 13:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
==Weather== +
- Bergen is renowned for its plentiful rainfall. In average, it rains two out of three days. Yearly average rainfall is 2250 mm (88 inches). Its longest period of uninterrupted rain in recent years was from January 3, 1990toMarch 26, 1990. For some years there were vending machines for umbrellas on some streets. However, it did not turn out to be a success.
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An anon. editor removed the above on 23 sept. I understand it is bad practise to remove a significant part of an article without discussion and without noting it on the "talk-pages". I therefore copy the text in here, so people can decide if the info. should be removed or not, Huldra 13:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the section edit tags are bundled together at a random paragraph approximately 2/3 down the article, at least in my browser. Is this a common problem, is it perhaps caused by collecting many pictures in one section, and does anybody know how to fix it? I tried by putting the images in a table but it didn't help. --Eddi (Talk) 23:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I´m sorry but it doesnt look very busy to me. Otherwise the article is ok.
Hi!
I think its about time, without wanting to sound arrogant, that a few things are being clearified here: First of all I would like to quote the definition of what a metropolitan area is (the def. you will find here in W.): " A metropolitan area is a large population center consisting of a large city and its adjacent zone of influence, or of several neighboring cities or towns and adjoining areas, with one or more large cities serving as its hub or hubs".
This definition should make a lot of the questions and arguments posted below fullly superfluous. According to the definition a metropolitan area doesn´t even have to involve only one city but can consist of several. Often it is one city plus its adjacent zone of influence being interdependent on each other; work related commuting, making up one housing/residential zone; sharing residential development plans; sharing public transportation networks etc. The latter metro form is the case with Bergen where neighbouring islands and peninsulas are dominated & stronlgly influenced by Bergen city.
If you look at the biggest Metropolitan area on this planet (might very well be even bigger ones somewhere else in the Universe, haha! :-j );
the Tokyo Metropolitan area consists of several cites; e.g. Yokohama which on its own is bigger than big cities like Berlin or Rome.
If you live in the Metro area of Tokyo doesn´t mean that you necessarily live in Tokyo; most of the 35 million! in that metro
area don´t! Many might only very seldomly or even hardly ever go to Tokyo proper because they live 1.5 hours away…
I think a lot of people simply struggle to understand the major difference between a city proper and a metro area. Conurbation is yet again a third urban concept; where maximum distance between houses of no more than 50 metres comes into use, but this statistical meassure is however not used when defining a metro area; please go to the definition again if confused.
I mentioned Berlin. Without question it is the biggest city in Germany with about 3.5 million people. The metro area includes another million and thus Berlin metro has about 4.5 million people. Most of the metro population is residing in Berlin proper. Berlin is “isolated” from other large cities and it has included most of its suburbs into the city municipality.
Bergen is also “isolated” from other cities; thus residential developments popping up on Bergens outskirts pop up exactly there for one reason and one reason only; the city of which they are neighbours to offering them jobs and needed services etc. If Bergen wasn´t located where it actually is, people wouldn´t live in ten thousands on Askøy; on Sotra( mainly Fjell/Straume) or in Knarvik etc. People move out of Bergen to live there in new suburban communities; countryside transformed due to Bergens need for expantion. New people move in to Bergen from other areas of Norway or from abroad. This "formula" is not idiosyncratic to Bergen it is the formula more or less every growing city "follows". The island or peninsula communities; all connected with bridges today, would be like most islands along Norways unbelieavably long coast; more or less desolate if Bergen had not been their neighbour. Without question these areas are part of Bergen metro! I agere that a few of the ones added are a bit far off; but excluding the ones that are "questionable" only drops the number with 2 or 3 thousand. By the way; Voss is NOT a part of Bergen metro so I don´t now why somebody even mentioned that town… And YES! Bergen makes up most of the population of Hordaland county!
Essen in Central West Germany is a city of about 600.000; big but much smaller than Berlin obviously. However the Essen metro area is by far the biggest in Germany with about 8-9 million people. Nobody claims that 8 million people live in Essen but Essen is the centre in a continuos urban region; the Essen metro area; about the same size as Paris. Many of these 8-9 million people propbably don´t even know the name of the main street in Essen; since they live in Dortmund or somewhere else in the area. However when flying over this area you quickly understand why this massive metro area is the undisputed urban supercentre of Germany; double the size of Berlin or as big as Sydney and Melbourne combined… Actually the state where Essen metro is located, North-Rhein Westphalia, has about 20 million people; equal to the total population of Australia in a geographical area no bigger than the size of New York metro. Sooner or later the whole area will become like NY or Tokyo; one massive metro area becoming one of the five largest urban zones on the planet. However it will never become one city named Essen, or Cologne or Düsseldorf; the cities stay but merge still keeping their centres but not their solitude! :-j
To the arrogant person who says "end of discussion" and claims Bergen is Bergenhus. That is ridiculous and you are as lost as one can become. I also come from Bergen and know that e.g. Osterøy is not Bergen and outside of the city; offcourse it is! Nobody claims otherwise! However it is part of the metro zone if you like it or not! You evidently do not have a clue to what a metro area is. I have lived in Cologne, Germany; the fourth biggest city in Germany. The city centre has only about 50.000 people but still counts as a million city and rightfully so: However most of Colognes population of more than 1 million lives in suburbia. Find yourself a new subject because here you are completely lost... Furthermore the number 211.000 thousand deals with the Bergen conurbation or "tettsted" in Norwegian. Conurbation and metro area is not one concept, but two describing urbanity from different scales. Due to Bergens untypical geopgraphy for a city the conurbation is much lower in number than the metro area because there are large mountains and water everywhere in the way of the 50 metre mark in all directions. Arna which counts about 15.000 is not part of Bergen conurbation although it takes only 6 minutes with the train to the very city centre. Are you also going to say Arna is not "Bergen" or part of metro Bergen? Again - you don´t know what you are talking about.
You are right about one thing: Internationally it is common to separate between city proper and city plus suburbs. But who decides for each city which suburbs to include or leave out? The city itself off curse aming it an unobjective meassure. It is not an objective meassure that gives us a good basis for comparison. Without suburbs Seoul is the biggest city in the world. Why? Because it has included almost all of its suburbs into the city proper.
If you think Bergen is the only city that has included many suburbs in its city proper or municipality; you again have no clue. In every city of any size only a small portion of the population lives in the city centre or city proper. Bangalore in India has more than 5 milion people but its city centre is not much bigger than that of Kristiansand...
Oslo has 545.000 inhabitants. Cologne Gernmany 1.050.000. If Oslo included suburbs the same way as Cologne, which it should because 545.000 makes the city seem smaller than it actually is. Oslo would have about 1.3 million people. It takes 7 minutes to drive on the motorway from downtown Oslo to where I live. Still I live in another municipality. What does this say? That Norwegian cities are not aggressive in including suburbs; quite on the contrary! If Straume was a suburb of Cologne they would have included it in the city municipality.
The population of Bergen metropolitan area is 369,099[citation needed] as of January 1st, 2006 according to Statistics Norway,
with a current annual growth of close to 5.000, making it the urban area in Norway
with the strongest growth after the metropolitan area of the capital Oslo.
I think the number "369,099" is impossible. Popullation of whole Hordaland fylke is 453,574. The sum of top nine kommune in Hordaland is 369,105 (as of April 2006). However, the top nine kommne are Askøy, Fjell, Stord, Os, Voss, Lindås, Kvinnherad and Bømlo. It is hard to include these kommunes in "metropolitan" area of Bergen except Askøy. --Isorhiza 03:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Including the whole county in the metropolitan region seems a little misleading to me, but OK...
Removed Anders Winsents, Øle Gunnar Gundersen, and Paal Myran-Haaland from the famous people from Bergen list. These are of the local band Lorraine. While they did warm up for A-ha recently, they don't yet have an enduring fame and notability which would justify putting it on this list. They're not listed on the Norwegian Wikipedia. Similarly removed Svein Hatløy, academic architect. Not all university/college professors should be listed here. Many other more notable and famous professors from Bergen are not listed here. Janbrogger 08:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kurt Nilsen. Come on, how can anyone say that this is a famous person. Why? Because he was on a tv program for 10 year old girls? What about all the persons/bands that _is_ famous around the world. Examples: Immortal, I, Gorgoroth, Varg Vikernes with his band Burzum, Borknagar, Helheim, Aeternus, Deathcon. Should I go on? Ok I wil admit that not all the members are born in Bergen, not all of the bands was formed here ether. But they have or is using Bergen as their "Base". Remove those who don't belong on that list or make it 10 times as long just to include every person known outside our grand city.
Kurt Nilsen won World Idol, and with today's values around celebrity that makes him pretty famous... But I think this page really needs an update on the music scene, probably it's own page. Bergen is world famous for the music it produces, and at the moment the article just ignores that. Bergenblogger (talk) 08:43, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As of today, the article really misses the fact that Bergen is the cradle of black metal. Just saying. 19:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.216.196.47 (talk)
The article now claims that a temperature of 35.7 Celsius has been measured in Bergen, which is clearly wrong - this would have been a new national heat record. Official meteorological recordings are always done using strict criteria (2 m above ground, in a small white building etc). According to the book Norsk vær i 110 år by climatologist Bjørbæk, the highest recording in Bergen is 31.8, as was stated in the article before recent changes. And the cold record was different as well, around -17 Celsius. Precipitation/year is 2250 mm on average, measured at the official station at Florida, Bergen. Orcaborealis 11:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Should the article state that the climate is getting more violent, with more severe winds and precipitation? I'm also wondering if the Hatlestad Slide should be mentioned. More dangerous and severe climate, including floods, rising sea levels, and storms, is considered a problem by more and more residents of the city, and I find it sufficiently notable for the article. Perhaps it could be a sub-section of Climate? --Safe-Keeper 19:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A single rain storm with its flooding and landslide and the changes it spurred to emergency preparedness have nothing to do with climate change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.144.175.101 (talk) 15:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bergen, Norway → Bergen … Rationale: The previous Bergen page has now been moved to Bergen (disambiguation), leaving Bergen to redirect to Bergen, Norway. It would make sense to move this page to Bergen since it's by far the most popular use of the name. … Please share your opinion here (see also Talk:Bergen (disambiguation)). — Cordless Larry 15:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that that counts as consensus then. I've nominated Bergen for deletion, so that we can move this article into its place. Cordless Larry 14:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article's been moved. Now we just need to figure out how to move this talk page. Cordless Larry 17:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, the metropolitan area population is listed as 369,099. Earlier, the article said that this included the city proper and neighboring suburbs. However, the link reveals that - among others - the following communes are counted: Kvam, Fusa, Samnanger, Austevoll, Sund, Vaksdal, Modalen, Osterøy, Øygarden, Radøy, Austrheim, Fedje(!) and Masfjorden. These are, to put it very simple, not suburbs. I thus changed the article to say "city proper, suburbs and neighboring rural communities". This was, however, reverted by user Inge. Now you need to make up your mind: You either need to come up with a lower figure (something that has obviously been rejected), or you will have to accept the fact that rural communities are included - and in my opinion, excessively so for a metropolitan area. A point is also that the link lists "Economic regions" - all municipalities of Norway seem to be included somewhere, and these regions could just as well be "rural" as "metropolitan". For example, Nord-Gudbrandsdalen, Hadeland, Valdres etc. are listed - are these "metropolitan areas"? No. Narssarssuaq 11:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
--Barend 22:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it'd be an idea to do as the editors of Reykjavik have done, and put the attractions in list form. Ie:
...and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safe-Keeper (talk • contribs)
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The article needs a section on Crime and the degree of safety, which should include crime rates, the recent attention Bergens Tidende has given the widespread and open sale of narcotics in Nygårdsparken, and whatever else is notable and important about crime in Bergen municipality. See crime sections of other cities' articles. --Safe-Keeper 02:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
bjørg (f), which translates to mountain
BJØRG Gender: Feminine Usage: Norwegian Derived from Old Norse björg meaning "protection, help".
English mountain Norwegian fjell Danish bjerg
English mountains German berge(pl) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.237.224.34 (talk) 09:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quote, There are about one thousand names in Norway composed with the element -vin, which are pronounced with the second tone. The only exception[citation needed] is the name Bergen (which is pronounced with the first tone). The cause of this is probably the German influence in the city.
Does "second tone" mean "stress on second syllable"? In that case, the claim is false, as Granvin etc also have stress on the first syllable.
If "second tone" means something else, there should be a wikilink to it. Narssarssuaq (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is the historic photograph of Bergen near the end of the 19th century hand-colored? The earliest color photos I've heard of were taken early in the 20th century. Sca (talk) 15:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The wealthy built villas between Møhlenpris and Nygård, and on the side of Fløyen, had also been added to Bergen in 1876."
Strange sentence, which I don't (quite) understand. Please fix. Thanks, Hordaland (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I think major changes should be discussed. I can agree that the Neighborhood section could be deleted. What do other editors think? --Hordaland (talk) 01:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't anyone else tired of the slow edit-warring regarding images in this article? They are constantly being changed, also by IPs. The article is a former Featured article candidate, and it could be again but it then would have to be stable.
My own opinion: I like the composite top picture, but there is no point including Gamlehaugen there. It is almost invisible, is less important than f.ex. E&N Grieg's home, and the article contains a most beautiful photo of Gamlehaugen. I don't really have an opinion on the frequently changing panoramas (they are all beautiful); I just wish they'd stop changing.
And what is your opinion?!? --Hordaland (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to this article billboards are banned from Bergen. I believe that would make an interested addition to the article.--spitzl (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(I seem to remember that at least one Seven Eleven store does not have neon lights on the outside. Maybe there are some general restrictions regarding advertising for convenience stores in the city's historical sections?) --Gazprompt (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is there (another person as) a governing mayor now that Trude Drevland is off sick leave and has returned to work? --Gazprompt (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Byfjorden is a fjord. (The etymology means "The fjord of the city"/"the city"-"fjord".) Info about maritime border of Bergen, i have placed at the end of Geography section. --Gazprompt (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Several sections of this article are made up largely of single-sentence paragraphs (the history section, for instance). We really should try to make use of proper paragraphs in this article! Cordless Larry (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Should they be named this way? Just『Fløyen』and "Ulriken" seems way more correct. Does anyone have any notable examples of the usage of "Mount" for them? --Ifrit (Talk) 02:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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It isn't stated how many people who lives in Bergen City (or within its urban area). And whether one can speak about a metropolitan area is a bit doubtful. That is mainly meant for 1000000+ urban areas, I think. But to mention the population in the city is more or less a mandatory matter, would I argue. Also - History, is very short, isn't it ? Bergen was an important city for the 14th Century Hansa, and possibly even earlier. Its population before the Black Death might have been 10.000 or more even. (With exception of some remote parts in the East of Europe, didn't the population reach the same amount as of 1345 until around 1800-1820. And I believe Bergen was hit very hard, the infection came with a ship from England, and spread from Bergen to all directions. If I'm correct. I lack sources, but I have read about Bergen and the Black Death a long time ago now. Try to improve both history and city population, please ! It's a very interesting old city with a very special climate, as well. Isn't Brann a FC from Bergen, by the way ? Boeing720 (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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When i started reading "Demographics" i felt like reading something really racist, the word "Non-western" is repeated 1000 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.60.0.185 (talk) 19:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Bergen's only real and lasting claim to fame is that it's the cradle of Black Metal. I think the article should reflect that more. 109.255.187.6 (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]