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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bike lanes discussed in sections 1.3 and 2.1 seem to be the same thing. There's a separate article Bikeway, but perhaps it should redirect to this. Confusion. PamD (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To me, this is a very technical subject and there should be a lot of technical information published to show that the article title is correct. A quick internet search does not show a lot of information on "Bicycle transportation engineering" as a sub-discipline of engineering. (I searched the web, google books and amazon.com for the subject) One name (John forester) shows in the web search as a "bicycle transportation engineer". I don't think that one could get a university degree in this sub-discipline. To me the article should be titled Bicycle facility design. There are ample books and technical publications on this subject. Does anyone have any comments before I formally propose a move? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bicycle transportation engineering encompasses but is not limited to facility design. There is a book on the subject. WP:OR refers to original research done by WP editors. This title just reflects a name used in the outside world. That said, we have a lot of "OR" titles on WP - there is no prohibition of it. Almost every "List of..." title is arguably OR, so even if a title is OR, that's not a reason to change it. --В²C ☎ 20:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I may be wrong terming it as OR. Maybe it is more of WP:COMMONNAME. One book (and one author) using the term 'bicycle transportation engineering' doesn't make it the common name. To me, the term should be widely used in the very technical field of engineering if that is what we are going to name the article. I guess that is why I am thinking the title should change. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 21:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with ¢Spender1983. "Bicycle planning" is much more common than "Bicycle transportation engineering" which was a title that was created by one cycling activist, John Forester. "Bicycle planning" turns up 44,000 hits for me; "bicycle transportation engineering" turns up only 3900 hits, with many of the top ones either related to Wikipedia or to John Forester's site ("bicycle facility design" turns up 10,000). And if Google results isn't enough to convince you, even government agencies refer to bicycle planning (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/processes/pedestrian_bicycle/pedestrian_bicycle_handbook/). Some of the professionals who do bicycle planning might be engineers, but many are not even though they are helping to create cycling infrastructure. Given the context of the article, the title will be more neutral to call it by its most widely used name and add a note that bicycle transportation engineers are transportation engineers who specialize in bicycle planning. The Association of Pedestrian and Bicycle Professionals in the US (http://www.apbp.org/?page=About_APBP) includes a wide range of disciplines including "transportation planning and engineering, urban design, landscape architecture, public health, active living, and Safe Routes to School". In fact, I think the best term that incorporates both sentiments would be to call it bicycle transportation planning and engineering. Nubeli (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]