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Who came up with the name and format for the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.207.87 (talk) 14:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm probably going to switch these two pages round -- Blackadder and Black Adder. The first series was in 2 words, but all subsequent stuff is 1, and I've nearly aslways seen it written as such. I'll give it a week or so for comments -- Tarquin 03:53 Aug 21, 2002 (PDT)
Blackadder II and Blackadder the Third both struck me as alluding to other shows not mentioned in the article. Blackadder II opens with a black adder slithering across checkered tiles, which I found quite reminiscent of the opening sequence of "I, Claudius". The ominous violin music that starts the former even recalls the striking opening notes of the latter, although it's stylistically rather different. The opening of Blackadder the Third, with Edmund looking through a library of Blackadder-themed texts, also reminds me of the Masterpiece Theatre opening, in which the camera moves about a study, revealing novels of the various stories that have been featured on the show. That may be a bit of a stretch, as Masterpiece Theatre is simply an umbrella series, created in the U.S., in which (mostly) British television series (we in the U.S. would call them "miniseries") are shown, and thus seems unlikely to have influenced the Blackadder writers. Could someone with a British perspective provide some insight on these two potential allusions? -- Jeff Q 07:16, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Most people in the UK are familiar with the style of the opening of the Masterpiece Theatre series, even though the full shows are not shown. 81.157.125.245 15:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
This page is rather big. Would it not be better to have a seperate page for each series, and just the overview and links here?
I don't get it. Is this page featured or not? It's just that I did practically all the characters, and I'd quite like to give myself a pat on the back (What a true cunt I am)--Crestville 16:23, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Has the pilot episode ever been included in any of the DVD compilations? Jooler 23:28, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Would it be pertinent to include allegedly real "Blackadders" like the artist Elizabeth Blackadder and the rumored Major-General Charles Guinand Blackadder? There is a grave at St. Martin's Cathedral: http://uk.geocities.com/st_martins_leicester/george1.htm
Buchan's Life of Montrose mentions a Blackadder as Captain of Scouts (so presumably Blackadder is a Scottish name anyway with no need for a MacAdder). BTW, "With each observed generation, his social standing is reduced, from prince, to lord, to royal butler to the Prince Regent, and finally a regular army captain in the trenches of World War I" wrongly considers that the last stage is a final decline; actually it's a significant recovery (though not from the Prince Regent who got usurped - but then, that's a step up from lord). P.M.Lawrence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.31.6 (talk) 08:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
All but two of the links in the Chronological order section were circular, redirected back to this article. (The exceptions were Blackadder: Back & Forth, which has its own article, and Blackadder The Third, whose case disagreed with the redirect, the former of which I fixed here.) Given that this article has not been split up into separate articles, as has been suggested, it seemed more logical to have these links jump to the internal reference, as it appears to be a mini-table of contents (at least until someone creates all those other articles).
The problem is that the shows all contain Wiki italics markup ('') in the headers, which I can't figure out how to add to an internal link. (Links don't like apostrophes; the ".XX" format [where XX is the hex code for the character] doesn't seem to work if it's immediately followed by printable characters; and "%DD", where "DD" is the decimal ASCII code, didn't work, either.)
For now, the specials (whose titles include "double quotes", which links don't seem to mind) all jump to their description. I've removed the other, superfluous links, pending either a technical solution to my stated problem, or the creation of articles for each of the series. I also left "Back & Forth" as an internal link, because (A) it would be confusing to have only one of the links in the mini-TOC jump to another article, and (B) there's a link to the "B:B&F" article in its section. — Jeff Q (talk) 01:31, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. - Taxman 16:28, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
I haven't seen the official lyrics, but I thought that what the article has as:
Black: his gloves of finest mole, Black: his codpiece made of metal, His horse is blacker than a bull, His pot is blacker than his kettle.
should actually be:
Black: his gloves of finest mole, Black: his codpiece made of metal, His horse is blacker than a vole, His pot is blacker than his kettle.
Note that the latter rhymes, and voles (at least the one in the linked article) are black.
Yes, it is "vole". Case closed. (unsigned comment by User:N^O^el, who removed above comments -- Michael Warren | Talk July 5, 2005 01:17 (UTC))
Who is citing Google? Believe it or not, some of the people on here do actually know what they are talking about. It is, for the last time, vole . Sources? Try the Blackadder books, DVD, and Howard Goodall's official website. Can I say 'case closed' again?, I think I can: case closed. N^O^el 07:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
AsN^O^el says the BBC DVD subtitles have vole, so thats about as authoritative as it needs to get, even if the first time around he went around trying to end the discussion the wrong way. Sfnhltb 21:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
It looks like somebody changed it to "hole". ThatGuamGuy 15:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)sean
I thought it was two silly bulls. Wellesradio 23:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)wellesradio
For the sake of clarity, I think this line should be changed:
'Blackadder came second in a 2004 BBC poll to find 'Britain's Best Sitcom',
confirming the wisdom of Grade's decision to revive the show.'
As it could be read that Grade revived the show around about the same as the poll. Having said that I can't think of better wording for at the moment.
The current quotes section seems a bit weak, well particularly the one very extended Young Crone section, it might be better to replace this with a selection of more pithy quotes with one from each series at least to give a better sample of the range of material in the series. I might have a go at it later when I have more time to go through it, but in case someone else feels up to it I just wanted to point it out as something I consider a weaker point of the current article. Sfnhltb 21:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
It has already been suggested, but I think it's time to actually transfer episodes to List of Blackadder episodes. If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and do this in about a week. I plan to follow the style of List of The Simpsons episodes, to an extent, but with a little more detail per episode. Any thoughts or suggestions? --Lox (t,c) 11:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Content has been moved to List of Blackadder episodes and is currently being rewritten. I am going to start removing duplicate content on Blackadder to reduce article size --Lox (t,c) 14:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is WibbletoBlackadder? Shouldn't it point to Roger Irrelevant?Shermozle 14:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Viz & Blackadder should fight it out. Frankly, I think Viz'd win. The Bacons? Big Vern? Buster Gonad? those flowery historical ponces got no Chance.--Crestville 15:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know where these were filmed? I was wondering where the path that the minstrel dances around Edmund is - presumably they were filmed at a stately home. However, I couldn't find anything on any fan websites. They were probably recorded on the same day as the outside scene with Kate in Bells, as there are no more location shots in the entire series. Rob 22:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if most of the quotes in the section Popularity and effects on popular culture should be moved to wikiquote, just leaving a few of each to act as samples. And maybe the lyrics can go the same way as well, it doesn't add a whole lot to the article which is fairly long and has a few areas like this that don't really give much information compared to how large they are. Sfnhltb 05:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I've put brief summaries of the pilot and Woman's Hour invasion under their appropriate sections, with links to the Blackadder Hall pages. These need expanding, and possible also some fact-checking, but they're started as opposed to just holding question marks. - Zepheus 16:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
(in Goodbyeee..., there's a scene which shows Haig playing with toy soldiers, which he sweeps nonchalantly from trench to trench, and then onto the floor while listening to Blackadder's plea to get out of the final push on the phone)
This isn't correct, IIRC. Haig merely sweeps the toy soldiers into a dustpan with a brush and then dumps the contents of the dustpan into a bin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stu-Rat (talk • contribs)
When you say bin, do you mean trash-bin? Just clarifying. - Zepheus 21:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes. But just bin, not trash-bin. Rubbish bin would be acceptable. :) British show, so British word. :) --Stu-Rat 14:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is far too expansive and covers irrelevant and redundant data. It ought to be reduced as soon as possible. I have removed the quotations from the "Popularity and Effects on Popular Culture" because the list was too long, and most of it was probably covered by wikiquote. So has the "quotes" section been remove. Not only that, but I see no justification whatsoever to include such a list in this section. Furthermore, I believe that none of the information contained there fits under it either; however, I have allowed it to remain because I believe the information could be useful if moved elsewhere. "The Shakespeare Sketch" must have some information besides a year or the entire "specials" subsection ought to be removed; this is unsatisfactory. If there's going to be so much information on each of the series, then they probably ought to have their own pages. Lastly, much of the article seems to be speculative and may require an intensive overhaul. Metalrobot 13:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I strongly suggest the use of a picture of one of the more recognisable blackadder incarnations on the Edmund Blackadder template. While I appreciate the original Blackadder is held in high regard by cretain users on wikipedia, the first series is not highly thought of in general public circles. Also, the first blackadder does not represent the more familiar characteristics of the Blackadders (just look at his stupid face compared to the more condecending, refined look of the other 3). I personally would champion Blackadder II who seems the most recognisable. His image is used in the main wikipedia article and was the primary icon used in the Greatest Sitcom series.--Crestville 19:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
If this article used to be an FA, but has since declined in quality what's to stop us just reverting it back to its state when it was granted FA status?--Crestville 16:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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(Mrs Miggins' pie shop was a never-seen running gag in Blackadder II; she — or at least, a descendant of hers — is now finally shown). Wasn't Mrs Miggin's Pie Shop shown in the episode "Potato"? This is a serious question, as i can't recall and may indeed be confused. WookMuff 10:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
No Mrs Miggin's pie shop was never shown in series 2. I believe it was mentioned twice (I may be forgetting one?), once in 'Potato' when she was 'bed ridden from the nose down' and had baked a pie in the shape of 'an enormous pie' and once in 'Money' when Blackadder demands money off the bishop for a 'slap-up meal at Mrs Miggins'.Jameskeates 07:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
And in 'Bells' when Percy suggests he and Bob eat there. VolatileChemical 11:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
What is the species of black snake shown in the intro of Blackadder II??--Sonjaaa 21:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not joking! Right now the article says it's actually not a viper/adder, so I was wondering, what is it then? or is it a European viper after all?--Sonjaaa 20:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
maybe the producers didn't anticipate nerds out there who would bemoan the fact that it isn't really technically an adder/viper. Hell a snake's a snake, right? Wellesradio 22:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Wellesradio
Specifically, Sir Walter 'Ooh What A Big Ship I've Got' Raleigh, and Field Marshal Douglas "Douggie" Haig. Should we really be linking to the real people? Shouldn't we look at creating new articles about the fictional caricatures in Blackadder, in the same way as we have one for Queenie? At the moment we're not even consistent. --Loccy 11:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Need to push the spoiler warning up a bit to as early as Blackadder#Developments over the series where it states "...then dies after succumbing to some poisoned wine...". Stating that the Main character dies is definetely a spoiler. 144.139.223.128 12:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
The opening theme music for Series 3 (Regency) is lengthily described in the article. But, could someone please tell me the derivation and the significance of the closing theme music in this series. Thank you!--PeadarMaguidhir 11:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The Blackadder series was almost certainly named, without his foreknowledge and to his subsequent mild irritation, after Dr Eric Blackadder, with whom I played golf on a number of occasions in the mid-eighties at the Hampstead course. Dr Blackadder had been senior medical adviser at the BBC for a considerable period before I met him. I believe he was then in his mid-sixties - I have had no contact with him since 1990 and I see his name does not appear in the list of Hampstead members for 2003-4.
The name "Blackadder" sounds outlandish to South-East-of-England ears. However there are 24 individual entries under that surname in the Edinburgh and District telephone directory. There is at least one village - I believe two - called Blackadder in the South-East of Scotland. (There is also a "Whiteadder").
Dr Blackadder, at the time I knew him, had all the formality and correctness of an Edinburgh doctor. I grew up in Edinburgh myself, and although I was about twenty years younger and a very different character to him, I felt we understood each other. It was not difficult, however, for me to imagine that the creative spirits in which the BBC abounds might identify Dr Blackadder as an object of parody. Some might see thoughtfulness, but others stiffness, in his manner of speaking.
The way Dr Blackadder told me the story indicated clearly that he thought his name had been deliberately purloined for the series. He said he had been present at a BBC cocktail party when a TV producer he knew rushed up to him. My memory after more than a decade and a half is bound to be faulty in minor respects, but I believe the producer said something like the following to Dr Blackadder. "Oh Eric, so glad to see you at last, been trying to get hold of you, but you know how it is, one never gets enough time, every time I tried to phone you you weren't there, terribly sorry, gosh is that the time, anyway, just wanted to tell you, really sorry you weren't informed, anyway Eric old chap we've just done a new comedy series, heavens I should have been gone five minutes ago, the point is, Eric, that the series happens to bear your name, can't think how that happened, one of those things that just transpires in our world, but very glad to have told you now, load off my mind, 'fraid it's in the can now so nothing can be done, you never know how these things are going to turn out but I have a sort of hunch this one might be quite good, really must rush now but so glad to have talked with you, definitely talk at more length soon, bye."
Dr Blackadder also told me that after the series had become successful he booked a family dinner for about ten in some London restaurant. He was slightly startled by the red-carpet treatment which the manager and staff accorded him and his guests, until the manager asked him with a hint of dismay in his voice when Rowan Atkinson was going to turn up.
Iainsmith 22:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I have reinserted a mention of Eric´s claim, given that my story, if not his, is verified here: http://www.netribution.co.uk/news/north/back_news/exposure525/story.html
Iainsmith 12:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Might the name Black Adder (originally, as may recall, Black Vegetable) also owe something to him whom Shakespeare's French King described as "...that black name, Edward, Black Prince of Wales"? (Henry V, 2.4.56)?--PeadarMaguidhir (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The article describes Blackadder's drift in social status, and includes the statement:
With each observed generation, his social standing is reduced, from prince, to lord, to royal butler, before he moves upward to regular army captain in Blackadder Goes Forth and King of modern Britain in 'Back and Forth'.
I can't argue that 'king' isn't higher than 'butler', obviously; but I was lucky enough to grow up at a British stately home, and I'm well aware that a butler would, at the time of Prince George, have been an extremely important and well-respected member of 'common' society. Certainly he's not an aristocrat by any measure, but he was the head of the house and the top of the 'Upstairs, Downstairs' hierarchy. Royal butler would have been higher still. A captain would also have been well-respected, of course, but I'm doubtful about the comparison. The two positions are relatively unrelated, so can we confidently say that 'captain' is higher than 'butler'? - Shrivenzale 09:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree, this should be changed. Royal butler is definitely higher than a regular Army Captain. No offence to army captains out there, but it's much easier to land a job as a captain in the army during a major war (even if he is a career army man) than it is to become the royal butler. Wellesradio 22:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Wellesradio
Just so it's accompanied with a note: I changed this bit to show that he did indeed gradually sink down the social ladder. I also removed the bit that says "King of modern Britain in 'Back and Forth" because he doesn't start out as king in Back & Forth. Furtehermore, Back and Forth isn't really one of the series. Wellesradio 22:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Wellesradio
What is the source for Captain Blackadder's birth date being 1871? A Google search doesn't turn this up in any non-Wiki-mirror sources. Jess Cully 00:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
When I first read this article, I thought to myself, "I ought to change that," but then I realized there's probably a big Blackadder community here and so I should consult them first. So here goes (forth): this article mentions and I quote, "Each Blackadder and Baldrick are also saddled with the company of a dim-witted aristocrat (who is dimmer than even the dimmest Baldrick) whose presence Blackadder must somehow tolerate. In the first two series, this role was taken by Lord Percy Percy (Tim McInnerny), whereas this position was assumed in the third series by Prince George (Hugh Laurie) and in the fourth by Lieutenant George, again played by Laurie (see George (Blackadder character))." This somehow gives the impression that the first two Percies (sp?) are in the same vein as George. I disagree. In every series there is one aristocrat whose power Edmund wishes to usurp. In the first series, it is his father, Richard IV and to a lesser degree Edmund's brother Harry. Richard is a zany character, but seeing as how this Edmund is an idiot, Richard is naturally more intelligent than he. Percy is closer to Baldrick in this series because he is portrayed as Edmund's sidekick, although Percy is a lord. But all in all in this incarnation Edumund is still socially superior to Percy. In the second series, the zany aristocrat is Queen Elizabeth. Percy is also present here, but he is still Edmund's subordinate. They are both Lords, but only Edmund has garnered Queen Bess's confidence and friendship (the other aristocrat here, Melchett, is equal in brains and power to Edmund). In the third, George is definitely as much a burden to Edmund as Baldrick or Percy, but it would be false to compare Edmund's relationship to Percy with that of his relationship to George. Edmund does what George orders him to do (or he's supposed to anyway) while Percy does whatever Edmund tells him to do (or he's supposed to anyway). Somebody should change this paragraph to state rather that in every series there is a peron of power whom Edmund attempts to overthrow or manipulate rather than stating it as it is with this flase comparison. Furthermore, I don't feel that Baldrick was in any sense "burdened" with Percy's company. In fact, together they managed to stop the king's assasins (and kill Edmund). Wellesradio 22:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Wellesradio
You know, I thought the same at first, but as I watched the entire series I realized they were pretty equal in power except that Melchett seemed to be a bit more of a suck up which is why he's always with the Queen. I guess he would be equal to Prince Harry in a sense. (You'll notice however that in series One it wasn't really Harry that Edmund was trying to steal from) What Blackadder really wants is to marry Queen Elizabeth, hence taking or sharing in her power and wealth. Wellesradio 22:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Wellesradio
It refers to the Edmund of Back and Forth as "King Edmund Blackadder III", whereas the page itself is titled "Lord Edmund Blackadder V". Shouldn't it just be one or the other to avoid confusion? Also, where does the V come from? Is he officially referred to as that anywhere? Miremare 15:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the {{fact}} tag since there are copies of the Pilot on Youtube. AreJay 01:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The list of characters in Blackadder III should include MacAdder, cousin of Blackadder, either in the category of "Blackadders" or in "other characters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.151.163.166 (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss the following text as I think it's inaccurate:
While each episode was plot-driven, they were still formulaic to a degree. For example, starting with the third season, whenever Blackadder found himself in a difficult situation (as was the case most of the time), Baldrick would invariably suggest a solution, starting with the words, "I have a cunning plan". This became the character's catch phrase and, while his ideas were usually totally unhelpful, he would sometimes come up with a scheme that went towards saving the day.
In fact the "cunning plan" catch phrase originated in the first series where Baldrick was the intelligent one and Blackadder was the dim one. When they are in a tight spot Baldrick details a "cunning plan"; Blackadder then says "no wait, wait I have a better idea" and repeats Baldrick's plan verbatim. The first instance of a "cunning plan" was the second episode of the first series. By the third series Baldrick is an idiot, his "cunning plan" in this series is always ridiculous and stupid. Additionally, in the first series the theme song finishes with "Blackadder, Blackadder, with many a cunning plan, Blackadder, Blackadder, you horrid little man".
I think the text should be edited as it is very clever on the part of Curtis and Elton that the "cunning plan" catchphrase evolves according to the intelligence of the central characters between the series.
Thanks
G.Jones
P.S. I watched the first series of Blackadder in 1983 from Episode 2 onwards. I was aged 9 at the time and was allowed to stay up late by my strict parents because they thought it was educational for my sister and I to watch it. I have been a huge fan from that time onwards :-)
(Geenahj (talk) 06:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC))
wow! That was quick. Thanks a lot. :-) (Geenahj (talk) 07:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC))
The list of series and specials section which claims to be in chronological order is a little confusing, because the dates after the entries place them in clearly a non-chronological order! Is the ordering supposed to represent the setting, or the production? It should specify for clarity to the reader. – Kieran T (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
It is very debatable if the pilot episode "1775" belongs in a list of Blackadder incarnations. All the information the internet can give us, tells us that it does not feature anyone named Blackadder, and no writers or actors from the Blackadder series. It is more likely just an idea inspired by the succes of Blackadder in the previous year, more or less like Chelmsford 123. Spiny Norman 86.95.110.209 (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Some historical comedies made in the decade after Blackadder show possible traces of Blackadder influence. These include:
The plot device of a 'modern' man in ancient times is not new, and has a venerable history in fiction. Likewise there have been many books and plays using a historical setting for comedy. An early example of a movie using multiple historical periods is The Three Ages from 1923, in which Buster Keaton relives the same story three ages: the Stone Age, Roman times, and the 1920s.
In TV comedies, perhaps the most obvious 'ancestor' of the Blackadder series is Up Pompeii!. The series, starring Frankie Howerd as Lurcio, was set in ancient Rome and made similar play with historical characters. Even the apparent 'reincarnation' device found in Blackadder [2] is also used. The TV series inspired three feature films, the first of which, Up Pompeii!, was also set in Imperial Rome with Howerd as Lurcio. The film ended with the eruption of Vesuvius and had a final scene set in the present day, in which the actors all played tourists closely resembling their ancient roles, with Howerd being a tour guide, showing them around the ruins of Pompeii. The second was set in medieval times and called Up the Chastity Belt, with Howerd's character as 'Lurkalot' (cfThe Black Adder). In this, Howerd's character is discovered to be a doubleofRichard Lionheart, and later assumes the throne under his identity while the real king leads a bawdy life as Lurkalot (cfBlackadder the Third). Most strikingly, the third and final Up ... film, Up the Front, sees Howerd's character reborn as 'Private Lurk' and fighting in the First World War (cfBlackadder Goes Forth). In 1991, after 4 generations of Blackadders had come and gone, Frankie Howerd returned as the (Roman) Lurcio for one last time, in a pilot episode called "Further up Pompeii", that failed to become a series.
The Blackadder stories draw on a variety of literary, historical, and film backgrounds for its story and characters. The first two series draw heavily upon the works of William Shakespeare. The first episode of The Black Adder, The Foretelling, references Richard III (the characters and setting), Macbeth (the three witches predicting Blackadder's rise to power and the appearance of King Richard's ghost at the dinner), and King Lear (the witches are named Goneril, Regan, and Cordelia). Bells, the first episode of the second series, draws on Twelfth Night with its cross-dressing "Bob" character. The third series parodies at various points classic novels such as The Scarlet Pimpernel (Nob and Nobility), Cyrano de Bergerac (Amy and Amiability), and The Prince and the Pauper (Duel and Duality), and the titles themselves parody Sense and Sensibility. There are also many references to classic films, for instance Blackadder's forming of his dark army in The Black Seal is parodic of The Magnificent Seven (down to Blackadder holding up fingers to indicate the number of men he has), the Season 1 episode The Archbishop explicitly parodies Becket.
I seen to have stumbled againts a children in need special not mentioned in this article, which can be seen here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob doe jr. the third (talk • contribs) 20:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The current order of the names is in the order in which they appeared as regulars in the series. This has a logic. The changes that are being made do not seem to have any logic. Please explain the changes and then try and get a consensus for them before changing them again. Other editors thoughts are welcome. MarnetteD | Talk 19:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the previous comment (a few sections above) about this. The entry in the "Chronological Order" table is the only mention in the article, and it's not referenced at all. I suggest removing it unless references (not just to its existence, but to its direct connection with Blackadder) can be provided. Loganberry (Talk) 20:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)