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Talk:Brazen head

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There is also a Brazen Head in San Francisco....bar and restaurant.

Off topic and likely unnotable. — LlywelynII 14:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should also mention that the Baphomet avatar which the Templars were accused of worshiping was a brazen head. You may need to qualify it with the appropriate comment that the hard evidence for the actual existence of the practice may be questionable, with references in both cases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.174.34 (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think it was. Cite? — LlywelynII 14:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please review whether this should be treated as fact rather than fiction, in which case the point should be promoted to the main meme and the fiction reference converted to a reference. The piece is generally considered to be early documentary, and is often treated as factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.174.34 (talk) 11:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is in fact fictive. If an actual scholarly work comes along and points out that happened to be true, that scholarly work would sanction the point being bumped up to the main discussion... and Defoe's would still remain exactly where it is. — LlywelynII 14:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I grok that's a rather sharp intrusion of editorial voice but it seemed the terser way of noting that the allusion being made is completely uninformed. Aside from complete misunderstanding being demonstrated of the idea of a "brazen head", the hollowed idols were (at least in legend) associated with Egypt. (I don't know if modern scholarship has actually found any yet.) Per WP:LIE and WP:UNDUE, we can't just leave the author's quotes alone as if they were accurate but it seemed like it was better to note the inaccuracy and still explain the appearance. If that seems too heavily WP:OR, other options would be to remove the "explanation" or to include a {{refn}} footnote detailing and linking to the inaccuracies. — LlywelynII 14:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In other news, given that TV Tropes already has a longer and more frequently curated list of examples in pop culture, can't we just nix the entire section except for the historical ones and leave it for them to keep track of? — LlywelynII 15:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Could the magic mirrors in fairy tales such as Snow White be an outgrowth of this concept? CFLeon (talk) 01:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]