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There seems to be controversy over whether the trophy is a friendly or not. The article cites media reports talking about a possible friendly competition. I think this is insufficient to brand the trophy as a friendly trophy. Media can sometimes get details wrong in early reports, especially when the trophy had not been officially revealed. For example, one of the sources says it is a "series of matches" when in fact, it was only one match. Another article links a statement from UEFA as a source, but UEFA never referred to it as a friendly in that statement. In fact, UEFA has the competition listed among its official competitions on its website, and does not ever say it is a friendly. https://www.uefa.com/finalissima/
In addition, an official UEFA twitter account and several media specifically referred to this competition as Messi's "second international trophy." However, he has won two other friendly competitions in the past, plus one competitive, making this one his fourth overall. It is only second as far as competitive competitions go. Some examples follow:
There may be some debate to be had, I'm trying to be fair here, but I think it needs to be decided by a logical consensus. At the moment, the page provides insufficient evidence to categorize it the way it does. Barring an official statement from the relevant authorities, we should be skeptical of making a conclusion that is not fully supported by evidence as the current article does.
Comment. . For FIFA (maximun governing body) the match was register as friendly, it's a friendly with name: Finalissima. Can work that we indicate that it is friendly for FIFA or "official title single leg match" by Uefa (cause the Confederations Cup ceased to exist). Remember that the editions are not final and can be modified (modified to improve, editions are not final, are
preliminaries).--Rey1996ss (talk) 22:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having read a little bit on this topic since leaving that comment, here are my thoughts.
1. FIFA has never called it a friendly. What they have done is given it coefficient points similar to a friendly. However, people are jumping to conclusions in my view.
2. UEFA has called it an official trophy. All 3 editions are considered official.
3. The Intercontiental Cup is a good precedent. According to Wikipedia, it was also organized by UEFA and CONMEBOL and not FIFA. FIFA in fact tried to get UEFA and CONMEBOL to call it a friendly, but UEFA and CONMEBOL never did. Eventually, FIFA accepted it as an official precursor to their own competition (The Club World Cup). However, even before then, the competition was always listed on Wiki pages as an official trophy for the clubs that won it.
My conclusion is this, under no circumstances is it a friendly since it was played competitively. The question is whether it is officially recognized by FIFA, which FIFA has not declared either way in the matter. However, using the precedent of the intercontinental cup, it would be highly unusual to consider it anything but official, as it is clearly a precedent (same situation, just for clubs rather than countries) and it was never considered a friendly on wiki or anywhere else. Also, the idea of a game being retroactively labeled a friendly or official (as FIFA recognized the Intercontinental cup only later) makes no sense. The players and managers act according to the rules (friendly rules or official rules), they do not play according to a future decision whether something will or won't be considered a friendly. The match was played under official rules, therefore it is not a friendly.
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Oppose The previous name of this article was "Artemio Franchi Trophy", so given the trophy was renamed to the "CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions", it makes sense to use as the title. The 2022 match is branded with the Italian word "Finalissima" given Italy are a participant. However, I see no indication this is the permanent name of this competition. I find it unlikely that the name would still be used if the next edition were between, say, Brazil and Germany. We should not be moving the article every 4 years depending on the marketing name used by UEFA/CONMEBOL. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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On Uefa official website, in the list of the competitions for national teams there is the finalissima and not the Uefa-Conmebol Cup of Champions, same thing for the Women's Finalissima since it's impossible would be a branded name for the title of this year between England and Brazil. Same for the Futsal Finalissima So the word Finalissima is in the official logo of both competition (men's, women's and then in futsal). Following the partnership of Uefa and Conmebol the official name of the revival Artemio Franchi Trphy is Finalissima. So I think we need to creat a new page for this new competition calling it with the official used name Finbalissima instead of Uefa-Conmebol Cup of Champions. 93.43.109.210 (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - this refers to a historical competition known by this name, the 2022 edition having a different name is not reason to change. GiantSnowman19:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions is the official name. Finalissima was used for the 2022 edition only. If future editions of the competion will also be labeled as Finalissima then we could reconsider it. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In favour. Just because the current title is the official one, nobody can argue that (especially after over 30 years since the last edition) the title Finalissima hat caught on much more than the official title. I even argue that most people don't even know Finalissima isn't the official one. Finalissima for that matter is also much more searched for than CONMEBOL-UEFA Cup of Champions (11.9 mio. vs. 336,000), and Wikipedia should always try to reflect the reality of what people are referring to when they talk about that tournament, not prescribing what people should say. Even UEFA and CONMEBOL themselves brand the tournament as Finalissima. So why should Wikipedia do it any differently? We also don't call the football player Edson Arantes do Nascimento, but by the name Pelé, don't we? -- SdHb (talk) 12:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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It is not assumed it´s official, beacause many users "think" that it´s a friendly tournament, and it´s not... It´s the same thing that happends in the Intercontinental Club Cup, that was organised only by UEFA and CONMEBOL (official cup of course), but FIFA (before the creation of the Fifa World cup club) gave the "endorsement" to recognise the winner as "World Champions". --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one who reads this article is gonna assume: "Oh, so it doesnt state 'official', it must be a friendly!". this is not a logical thought process --FMSky (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It´s your opinion, but in the spanish wikipedia it was a polemic about the "officialdom" of this cup too. Many users thought it was a friendly cup... Here, in the english wiki it happened too [2]. --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand how the December move request was opposed. Per Wikipedia:Article titles, the title should be recognizable, concise, natural, precise, and consistent.
The majority of the sources in the article uses FinalissimaorArtemio Franchi Cup (which I hope we can agree is an outdated name), and very little refer to it as the "CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions".
In fact source 1 of the article states that the "Cup of Champions" refers to the trophy and "Finalissima" is the tournament.
Even a Google search of『CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions』gives you results on the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and European Rugby Champions Cup with ESPN the only major site that (outside of Wikipedia) that returns this tournament.
Google "Finalissima" on the otherhand and it returns results for this tournament from sites such as Sky Sports, BBC, The Guardian, and most importantly UEFA.
The women's and fustal version of the tournament have been named "Finalissima". So why isn't the men's if article naming is supposed to be consistent? Mn1548 (talk) 19:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. . For FIFA (maximun governing body) the match was register as friendly, it's a friendly with name: Finalissima. Can work that we indicate that it is friendly for FIFA or "official title single leg match" by Uefa (cause the Confederations Cup ceased to exist). Remember that the editions are not final and can be modified (modified to improve, editions are not final, are
preliminaries).--Rey1996ss (talk) 22:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
