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1 NPOV  
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2 Stub  
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3 Proposed Merge  
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4 British poet James Clifford not a hoax as such?  
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5 Poorly sourced  
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6 were censored by Glavlit  
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7 Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion  
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Talk:Censorship in the Soviet Union




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NPOV

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"Vladimir Lenin believed that literature and art could be exploited for ideological and political as well as educational purposes."

Exploited is a totally unsuitable word for a supposedly unbiased article. I have changed this to: "Vladimir Lenin believed that literature and art could be used for ideological and political as well as educational purposes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.213.54 (talkcontribs) 01:15, 3 August 2006

I removed the entired paragraph. Besides being badly written (ie It mentions a "belief" held by V.I. Lenin, but gives no idea as to why this is important to the subject matter) it used as a single source a non-reliable/verifiable source (the Library of Congress).--Cerejota 18:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stub

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This article, considering the importance of the subject matter, is in a surprisingly stubbish state. It doesn't mention several important things. For example:

Not all of these points are necessarily accurate as I've heard most of them from hearsay (not academic sources), but I thought I'd put them out here anyway. Some of this stuff should be added to the article if references to back it up can be found. Esn 03:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your interest in the topic. I am afraid you are quite mistaken.
  • First of all, it seems that you are assuming the word "censorship" in a quite narrow sense, at least when you say ""officially there was no censorship". Officially there was censorship. You probably meant political censorship. And here we have a typical doublespeak. It was both "officially absent" (for common knowledge) and "officially present" (as reflected in official CPSU and government documents).
  • The phrase "decline in censorship" is bad phrasing. There was no "decline" in censorhip. Absolutely everything published was censored. One may say that somewhat more was alowed to be published.
  • The Twelve Chairs was allowed satire of "certain drawbacks" it was in no way "critical of Soviet government". Indeed, something slipped thru, but each case is an individual occasion. In general, the threshold was quite high: you would be surprised with quite a few comical situations with overzealous Soviet censors from Glavlit.
  • "Universities and intelligentsia": I am afraid you don't understand the place of intelligentsia in Soviet Union. Access to restricted literature was controlled by KGB. "Simply not many copies" is a naive interpretation of printing in USSR. If something was censored out, it was done for good.
  • "Shelved": Talented direftors were asset, and of course he was told to do his job. But he might very well easly lose his job in state monopoly is shelved too many rolls.
So unfortunately nothing of these points can be added, although I agree that the topic is underdeveloped in wikipedia. The subject is quite well covered today. It simply looks like the topic is not very exciting to wikipedians. I will try tto add some more bare bones. `'mikkanarxi 04:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Google search "Censorship in the USSR" and "Censorship in the Soviet Union" gives several useful links as well, eg

Etc. `'mikkanarxi 04:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the article about censorship in the US is about 10 times longer than this one.Thepatriots 19:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, like I said above looks like no big fun beating a dead horse. `'Miikka 21:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Merge

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I think that this page should be merged with Censorship of images in the Soviet Union, because that deal with the same subject and use the same pictures for emphasis. They are just separate views of the subject that would be better off supplementing each other than being separate articles. --69.94.169.40 (talk) 19:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No merge Cnesorship of photo is a separate, well-defined subtopic of a general censorship theme, {which is poorly covered here} . 03:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

British poet James Clifford not a hoax as such?

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"There were cases of literary hoaxes, when authors imagined a translated source. Poet Vladimir Lifschitz, for instance, imagined some British poet James Clifford, died 1944 in Western Front, whose translations he published, though it was his own verses", says the article. But Vladimir Lifschitz's son Lev Losev mentioning this situation says in "Упорная жизнь Джемса Клиффорда: возвращение одной мистификации" http://magazines.russ.ru/zvezda/2001/1/losev.html, "И тут Владимиру Лифшицу повезло. Он наткнулся на поэтическое наследие своего погодка, англичанина Джемса Клиффорда. Погибший на фронте в 1944 году Клиффорд с большой точностью и с недоступной советскому поэту свободой выразил в своих стихах как раз те переживания, которые всё не находили адекватного выхода в творчестве моего отца. Он мастерски перевел двадцать стихотворений Джемса Клиффорда. Ключевым было, несомненно, стихотворение “Отступление в Арденнах”. Thus the poet James Clifford killed in action in 1944 was NOT a hoax! Only some of "his" poems as published in Lifschitz's translations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.78.103 (talk) 20:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly sourced

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15 referenced (7 different ones), pre-2001. Xx236 (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Xx236 (talk) 06:38, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian page is much better, it quotes 177 references.Xx236 (talk) 06:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

were censored by Glavlit

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There existed three levels of censorship:

Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 19:07, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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