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This page is currently missing the link between 'gender nonconformity' and social contagion among gender non-conforming and trans-identifying teenagers which has been demonstrated by academic studies and by a growing wave of detransitioners as well as medical professionals testifying in court of law. 'Gender-affirming' sex reassignment surgeries and hormonal treatments on minors are banned in many US states* and in many European countries.

• Florida Boards of Medicine, Standards of practice for the treatment of gender dysphoria in minors, Nov 4, 2022: https://ww10.doh.state.fl.us/pub/medicine/Agenda_Info/Public_Information/Public_Books/2022/November/11042022_JointFB_Publicbook.pdf

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.191.121 (talk • contribs) 07:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

73.223.191.121 - See above regarding this issue. New sections go on the bottom of the page. I moved your addition to the bottom. Remember to sign your talk.

The above link is a 5k page / 1.4 GB pdf. It is the result of a public meeting; a collection of statements and emails from laypeople. Many mentions of "social contagion". This document is not wp:MEDRS. Which page are you referring to? Adakiko (talk) 01:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The article, by the way, is about childhood gender nonconfromity, not about gender dysphoria in children. That's different things, and authors of scources who don't understand this basic thing are absolutely not reliable.--Reprarina (talk) 01:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Including 'social contagion' in the article is not necessary. I presume you are referring to the Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy which is both controversial, and has little relevance to childhood gender nonconformity. Childhood gender nonconformity refers to children who exhibit sex atypical behaviors and traits, not necessarily transgender people. I think it would be inappropriate to suggest that gender nonconformity is a contagion. Zenomonoz (talk)

There is a section at the bottom of this article called, "Clinical treatments for gender dysphoria", even though there is a completely separate, more detailed, and more up-to-date article: Gender dysphoria in children.

For example, a lot of the sources are from the 2000s, and even medical primary sources, and the term gender identity disorder is used (DSM-IV), with the presumption that gender identity is malleable rather than stable or persistent. This type of thing really deserves more scrutiny from editors who can compare with the most up-to-date mainstream research and review studies. Also, the diagnosis these days is gender dysphoria (DSM-5), and it has been for over a decade now.

Is there any particular reason that there is a section in this article for gender dysphoria in children? As far as I know, childhood gender non-conformity, or adult gender non-conformity, for that matter, is not necessarily related in any way to gender incongruence or gender dysphoria.

For example, just because a boy is stereotypically feminine, or a girl is stereotypically masculine, does not mean that they are transgender, or will become transgender, or that they experience gender dysphoria in any way. Hist9600 (talk) 23:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: just because a boy is stereotypically feminine, or a girl is stereotypically masculine, does not mean that they are transgender – I agree with you here. Although it seems a lot of LGBTQ groups like GLAAD, as well as more conservative ones, have confused the terminology. Some are now indeed using 'gender nonconformity' to mean 'not cisgender', unfortunately. Zenomonoz (talk) 02:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although it seems a lot of LGBTQ groups like GLAAD, as well as more conservative ones, have confused the terminology. Would you happen to have any links to major LGBTQ groups such as GLAAD using gender non-conforming to mean transgender? GLAAD seem to go out of their way to make clear distinctions between gender identity and gender expression, and to associate gender non-conformity with gender expression. They even put, in big bold letters: Please note that many cisgender people have gender expressions that are gender non-conforming. Simply having a non-conforming gender expression does not make someone trans or nonbinary.

Gender non-conformity is generally considered to be not directly related to whether someone is cisgender or transgender. Gender identity and gender expression are different things. In this article about gender non-conformity (gender expression), it seems strange to me that there is the presumption of gender incongruence and gender dysphoria (gender identity). Hist9600 (talk) 02:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Take this Time magazine article, which states The number of gender nonconforming people increased by a factor of 10 since 2014. I’m not sure if GLAAD is entirely conflating them, but it seems to stem from this type of statement here: 12% of Millennials identify as transgender or gender non-conforming, meaning they do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth or their gender expression is different from conventional expectations of masculinity and femininity — doubling the number of transgender and gender non-conforming people reported by Generation X (6%). It does seem confusing to group them together. Zenomonoz (talk) 23:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "TGNC" ("transgender + gender non-conforming") groups together the transgender and gender non-conforming communities based on both being communities based around advocating on the basis of gender issues. Both also have some shared interests. However, they are also distinct communities, similar to how lesbians should not be conflated with gay men, despite both being in LGBT. Hist9600 (talk) 02:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the article have a hyphen in nonconforming (this way: non-conforming)? Abesca (talk) 16:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]