Contents

Talk:Color

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Color article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8Auto-archiving period: 180 days

This  level-3 vital article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Color Top‑importance This article is supported by WikiProject Color, a project that provides a central approach to color-related subjects on Wikipedia. Help us improve articles to good and 1.0 standards; visit the wikiproject page for more details.ColorWikipedia:WikiProject ColorTemplate:WikiProject Colorcolor articles Top This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale. Visual arts This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts articles Biology Low‑importance Color is part of the WikiProject Biology, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to biology on Wikipedia. Leave messages on the WikiProject talk page.BiologyWikipedia:WikiProject BiologyTemplate:WikiProject BiologyBiology articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

The question of whether to spell the subject of this article as colororcolour is covered by the Manual of Style and American and British English spelling differences. Proposals about spelling should be raised at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). This talk page is for discussing the subject of color, not the spelling.

Change: Similarly, most human color perceptions can be generated by a mixture of three colors called primaries. This is used to reproduce color scenes in photography, printing, television, and other media. There are a number of methods or color spaces for specifying a color in terms of three particular primary colors. Each method has its advantages and disadvantages depending on the particular application.

to: Similarly, most human color perceptions can be generated by a mixture of three colors called primaries. This is used to reproduce color scenes in photography, printing, television, and other media. There are a number of methods or color spaces for specifying a color in terms of three particular primary colors. Each method has its advantages and disadvantages depending on the particular application.

I started out thinking that the RGB system was the way to go, but I soon noticed its shortcomings. One of them is that its colour wheel is not balanced. For example, the transition from red to yellow is way too short in the wheel. After seeing many different colour wheels, I believe that Munsell's is the most balanced when it comes to doing justice to each hue's space in the colour wheel, and not overemphasising others. It makes the most sense while looking at the spectral colours in firsthand through a prism. It also has the property that each one of these hues is really close to its complementary. Please let me know what you think.

Example of how it would look like (for the hues only, it excludes brown or pink, for example):

1 Shades of red

2 Shades of orange

3 Shades of yellow

4 Shades of chartreuse/lime (main representative colour being near #98cf00)

5 Shades of green (main representative colour being near #19d451)

6 Shades of cyan/aqua (near #00c7b0)

7 Shades of blue (near #1f9bed)

8 Shades of ultramarine/indigo (near #6369ff)

9 Shades of purple/violet (near #bf66ff)

0 Shades of magenta (near #ff57b3)

You can also notice that these colours match their complementaries really well:

red-cyan

orange-blue

yellow-ultramarine (it's the same hue as the RGB 0000FF)

chartreuse-purple/violet

Amecordo

the dogg side effects: 1%$32466587+90?). (8) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.189.176.3 (talk) 05:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

green-magenta

The RGB red is slightly orange-ish. If you look at the red through a prism, you can clearly see that there is a redder red than the RGB one. If we try to find the complementary for this pure red, it falls somewhere between 170 to 180 degrees in the HSV hue wheel.

I also think that the archetypical blue should be something around 210 degrees, because that's what most people and cultures think of the archetypical blue. The RGB blue is slightly violet-ish.

So my proposal is to: 1 merge 'shades of cyan' and 'shades of spring green' and call it 'shades of blue-green'.

2 rename 'shades of azure' as 'shades of blue' and add some new colours to it that represent both the blues closer to cyan and the blues closer to ultramarine.

3 rename 'shades of blue' as 'shades of ultramarine or indigo', and move some of the colours there to the new 'shades of blue'.

4 merge 'shades of magenta' with 'shades of rose'.

Let me know what you think. Restfultree2022 (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at ISCC–NBS system. –jacobolus (t) 09:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, I think it's missing blue-green, magenta (those hues between 300 and 350 degrees), and ultramarine (between 230 and 255 degrees) as primary hues. In my opinion, these hue areas deserve acknowledgement on par with 'shades of red' and so on. Restfultree2022 (talk) 22:01, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These are all given clear and unambiguous names. "Magenta" is called purplish red (pR), "ultramarine" is called purplish blue (pB). Also "teal"/"turquoise" is split into bluish green (bG) and greenish blue (gB) (though personally I might instead make a single blue–green category a bit smaller than the combination of those two put together). The point was to make precisely defined categories, not to give every category a one-word name. Anyway, this is more or less what you were asking or: a clearly specified system based on Munsell coordinates. –jacobolus (t) 23:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Yeah, what I'm mostly pondering on is what the exemplary colour code should be for the archetype of each hue.

It's also about the balance of the colour wheel. I see more difference between red to yellow than red to RGB magenta for example. The RGB green is slightly yellower than the greenest green I can see in the spectrum. The RGB colour wheel gets quite strange around green. One it gets near 120 degrees, there is very minimum difference. That's not what happens in the rainbow. I think it has something to do with how limited the sRGB gamut is about making those greens. Restfultree2022 (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking, maybe this is the most balanced way to divide the colour wheel: https://imgur.com/a/hOYTYFJ

But I'm not sure. Restfultree2022 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The second sentence in the section "Colors of objects" is this:

"Most objects scatters light to some degree and do not reflect or transmit light specularly like glasses or mirrors."

• Corrected. Constant314 (talk) 07:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered=or|ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I would like to add more information. 76.80.235.226 (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. PianoDan (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered=or|ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

This page is protected but doesn't display any corresponding icon or banner, which I found a bit confusing... {{pp-semi-indef}}, I think?

- 2A02:560:5829:B000:B9F7:CF82:EEE5:7596 (talk) 13:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]