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I had a friend that used to draw it a lot in school in the early 1990s (definitely before 1997, probably 1995), and he called it the "Stussy S". So, I'm certain it's true that it was called that many years before YouTube. However, this is just my own anecdote, so good luck finding a usable citation. :S - Rainwarrior (talk) 00:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure I saw it on Stussy merch in a skateboard shop in I think the very early 90s. I've called it the Stussy S since then. I've never been able to find an online source to confirm it though. Maybe in old physical skateboard magazines from that time period. 142.188.28.165 (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we add LEMMiNO's sources for this article?[edit]
I think that we should add LEMMiNO's sources for this article because there's more information in his video about the Cool S. Here's his website about the Cool S or Universal S: https://www.lemmi.no/post/the-universal-s
https://thesthing.com/blogs/news/1890-mechanical-graphic-frederick-newton-willson
"Some claim a very close similarity whilst others claim the S is too rounded or flat.
Whilst you can argue that there are certainly 6 lines to start off this particular S, we're not so convinced this specific design is closer than others we have discovered at different stages of the timeline.
What is more apparent to this story, is Frederick Willson was a pioneer of graphical lettering and his expert influence was a driving force during the early 1900's. One can certainly dream up a scenario where the professor dedicated times in his lesson to teach his students how to draw 'the S' (his S) and perhaps that started off a ripple effect that tapped into the addictive nature of drawing it. But to say it was THE origin of 'The S' is a big stretch." — OttoMäkelä (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Ambassadors - Hans Holbein the Younger - Oil on Oak (1533)[edit]
I will revert those changes. However, instead of leaving them gone, please help me get this information on Wikipedia in a way that you find acceptable. Also please get another experienced editor’s opinion on your issues with this article. Some of them seem like WP:WL to me (such as needing a secondary source for the fact that a still-existing video was uploaded to youtube and vimeo, not accepting Lemino’s video as a source although it’s all well-sourced, and not accepting the easily verifiable statement that the Cool S is not a Mobius strip). You’ve said before that “others have removed [this material] for good reason”, but looking at the page history and talk page I can’t find anyone who’s removed information or supported removing information except you. Furthermore, the Cool S is a simple geometric symbol, like the Swastika, Triskelion, Quatrefoil, Solomon's knot, Hexagram etc, so it would be expected to appear in different cultures and time periods, and such instances should at least be mentioned (as they are on those pages). So please invite an experienced editor, preferably an inclusionist one, so we can have a WP:Third opinion on whether all this information should be removed. I💖平沢唯 (talk) 12:17, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
help me get this information on Wikipedia in a way that you find acceptable: WP:BURDEN is on you, not me; that is how it goes. And currently you are infringing this policy.
please invite an experienced editor, preferably an inclusionist one, so we can have a WP:Third opinion on whether all this information should be removed: it is BRD, not BD-and-fetch-me-a-third-opinion-if-you-disagree. Moreover, I do not think any editor can defend you adding OR, using non-WP:RS, OR interpretating stock images, videos and paintings, and violating BURDEN (you do not seem to realise that the fact in your justification you did not provide any source but instead wrote an original "it would be expected" defense of your unsourced addition proves they are OR)
I share Veverve's concerns about OR and editor interpretation. I'm not seeing that anything disastrous will happen if we require that content be cited to reliable, secondary sources. One small thing: I think we should remove the quoted line about the "Moebius strip". It's mentioned briefly by one source, and I think the objections here are reasonable. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is the "S" in the Trapstar logo similar enough to the Cool S to be mentioned in this article?[edit]
Recently I noticed that the "S" in the logo for Trapstar, a British clothing brand looks quite similar to the Cool S. When I first saw it I actually thought it was and I think this potential use of the Cool S should be mentioned in the article somewhere.