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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Coronation of Queen Victoria(illustrated) in 1838 was described by the writer Harriet Martineau, who was present, as "highly barbaric"?
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I'm tempted to just revert all your changes here - undiscussed and inconsistent changes of citation style (see WP:CITEVAR), removal of references and replacing them with probably inferior ones, removing references then adding a cn tag. WTF?? Johnbod (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm rewriting the article to try and move it up to good article standard. The Worsley book provides the opportunity to do that. As you say, citation style was inconsistent and I simply want to make it consistent. I did remove a couple of inaccessible or irrelevant citations and the cn tags are there as notes for me to either source or remove the statements. The article certainly requires compliance with mos:quote by merging the queen's comments into narrative without quoting her directly. I suggest you remain patient for, say, a week while I complete the main draft. Thank you. No Great Shaker (talk) 02:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what I'm saying - you don't seem to be listening. I don't agree that the quote needs breaking up in these particular circumstances - that is just your opinion. Nobody else has raised the matter over several years, and the article has been largely the same for 6 years, and fairly highly-viewed, with over 100 vpd on average. I repeat that changes judged to be net-negative may be reversed. Johnbod (talk) 14:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am listening. I am also trying to improve a rather poor article without being rude or confrontational. As for MOS:QUOTE, that is clear enough as a guideline and my "opinion" simply complies with what it says. If there is another policy or guideline which allows for exceptions, please be kind enough to provide me with a link to it. I am still working on the article, time allowing, and I will make changes as and when I am ready to do so. There are thousands of articles on the site which have not been edited for several years, but that only means no one has been interested in editing them, not that they cannot be expanded or improved when someone does become interested.
It seems to me that you are only expressing your opinion, which is your prerogative, and you could do that politely without using "WTF" and making reversal threats. I don't attach much credibility to arguments which open with the F-word, or F-initial on this occasion. If you are unable to abide by WP:CIVIL, I would prefer it if you keep away from this page and make your comments at the article's talk page, which is on my watchlist. Thank you. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given that your changes have hardly changed the text, it is presumably still "rather poor" according to you, and a long way from GA! It is clear from the edit history that the article has been maintained, and slightly expanded, since creation - as shown by your edits immediately being picked up. Please stop saying "Thank you", when you clearly mean the reverse - it's just annoying. I will copy this section to the article talk page as you suggest. Johnbod (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like me to insert the revised lead and narrative sections that I have already done now or would you prefer that I wait until the entire draft is ready? I don't mind either way though I did intend to do it all in one. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.queenvictoriasjournals.org/home.do. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
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What nonsense - the text was written in 1838 and published in 1907 - this is not copyrighted, and anyway a reasonable amount of quotation is allowed. It has been restored. Johnbod (talk) 17:28, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Amitchell125: The copyright notice looks clear enough to me and I agree that the section must be removed as its inclusion is a violation. If the perpetrator (above) continues to behave in such a stupidly arrogant manner, I think administration should be requested. Thanks again. As regards the rest, I'll wait until you've fully reviewed the remaining sections. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For heaven's sake. Johnbod is right, if they were published in 1907 then Queen Victoria's journals are now in the public domain. Anyone can slap a copyright notice on public domain works. Doesn't make it legally true... Firebrace (talk) 13:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Personal copyright in the UK is life of the author (1901) + 70 years, and Crown copyright is first date of publication (1907) + 50 years. Not that it matters if we are only going to reproduce one letter, but in case you are wondering, Arthur Christopher Benson died in 1925. Now you can stop fretting. Firebrace (talk) 12:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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