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This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2015, when it received 27,885,484 views.

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 49 times. The weeks in which this happened: January 4 to 10, 2015 January 11 to 17, 2015 January 18 to 24, 2015 January 25 to 31, 2015 February 8 to 14, 2015 February 22 to 28, 2015 March 1 to 7, 2015 March 8 to 14, 2015 March 15 to 21, 2015 March 22 to 28, 2015 March 29 to April 4, 2015 April 5 to 11, 2015 April 12 to 18, 2015 April 19 to 25, 2015 April 26 to May 2, 2015 May 3 to 9, 2015 May 10 to 16, 2015 May 17 to 23, 2015 May 24 to 30, 2015 May 31 to June 6, 2015 June 7 to 13, 2015 June 14 to 20, 2015 June 21 to 27, 2015 June 28 to July 4, 2015 July 5 to 11, 2015 July 12 to 18, 2015 July 19 to 25, 2015 July 26 to August 1, 2015 August 2 to 8, 2015 August 9 to 15, 2015 August 16 to 22, 2015 August 23 to 29, 2015 August 30 to September 5, 2015 September 6 to 12, 2015 September 13 to 19, 2015 September 20 to 26, 2015 September 27 to October 3, 2015 October 4 to 10, 2015 October 11 to 17, 2015 October 18 to 24, 2015 October 25 to 31, 2015 November 1 to 7, 2015 November 8 to 14, 2015 November 15 to 21, 2015 November 22 to 28, 2015 November 29 to December 5, 2015 December 6 to 12, 2015 December 13 to 19, 2015 December 27, 2015 to January 2, 2016

There is consensus to continue what is being currently done. AlbinoFerret 19:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should "Deaths in 20xx" pages list manners of death (suicide, homicide, accident and natural), if known, in place of an unknown cause? This is not asking whether we should complement known causes ("suicide by hanging"). Just regarding standalone manners. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See the "Suicide: Cause?" section above for prior discussion (onTalk:Deaths in 2015, if you're reading this elsewhere.) InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Suicides": yes, regardless of method. "Homicides": no, method required. "Natural causes": no, too broad. Generic "illness": see "Natural causes". Death by vehicle: traffic collision, unless by train/plane crash. Any listed "accidental" death causes are too Final Destination for me. Cars veering off roads, guns killing people, houses falling on witches are not "accidents". How many times does this discussion need broaching? It's all (if known) or nothing, in my opinion. Coming here to read people getting twisted on improper listings every day or so is aggravating. — Wyliepedia 05:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By "Deaths in 20xx", I literally mean till 2099. Whatever most resembles consensus when this is done shall become law, and we can all settle into this theoretically perfect compromise for 84 years. Nice and simple. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. — Wyliepedia 08:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favour of listing whatever the source says of the manner or cause. There is a big difference between dying a natural death, committing suicide and being murdered, and if all we have to go with is the manner, then I'd prefer it. At least when it comes to suicides, executions and murders. Nukualofa (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Suggestion Can we do this the standard bullets and boldvote way? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• No standalone manners The cause is the distinctive, important bit. When a reader reads "hanging", "kidney failure" or "gunshot to head", they get a (fairly) clear picture of what went down. Adding a manner can help make those clearer, but a manner alone is too vague, and likely to make more readers guess the wrong cause than the right, just for the abundance of possibilities. Suicide is no better than the others, in that regard. I'm OK with exceptions for euthanized horses, because sources seem to never say how that's done. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• List manner of hastened death such as suicide, execution or euthanasia, whether the exact cause is known or not. Such deaths are generally more noteworthy than deaths by illness or misadventure. We could add "homicide" to that list, but that is bound to bring on further argument about homicide v. murder (the latter being a legal decision and not just an act). In summary, I'm supporting what we do at the moment. WWGB (talk) 05:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We get enough conflicting MODs here from several outlets, some of which cite Twits and FB, one of which is now an acceptable cite template. I say, as per all the hundreds of other past discussions, if there's vagueness of C/MOD to bring individual ones here for purview. The only ones I see that get removed/altered with regularity are "illness" and "accident". Seems stable to me. — Wyliepedia 07:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's broken insofar as the top of the page tells us to list causes, but some regulars regularly add some manners and remove some others. Steeped in tradition or something, I'm just looking to discern which (if any) are OK and which aren't, so we can accurately tell newer visitors what a typical entry includes. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Poorly formed RFC - No specific opinion - However, causes of death should be listed when known in enough detail to be informative, which is currently what we do. That is, "natural causes" is not a cause. Suicide or homicide is a cause, but the means of homicide should be listed. "Accident" is not a useful cause, but "car crash" is. What we do is all right. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide and homicide are not causes. They're manners, like natural or accident. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.