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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk pageorWikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
If this DYK is approved, readers will be enticed to learn about how the royal families of Europe are biological relatives to a closer extent than some may think!
Created by AndrewPeterT (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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@AndrewPeterT: Well done for nominating this article, a topic that is of great interest to me. The hook I prefer is ALT0. As you'd know, there are a few criteria for DYK:
This article was moved into the mainspace on 14 March and nominated on 18 March. Therefore, it is new enough.
My immediate primary concern for this article was the overwhelming amount of tables in its use. However, good use of background information for each child ensures that there are around 6800-6900 characters of original prose. This makes the article long enough.
These hooks, of which I prefer ALT0, are adequately sources, so there do exist cited hooks.
As you have less than five DYK nominations, there is no quid pro quo required.
Finally, the article's prose is well cited. Information within some tables, however, is not. Though it is clear that effort has been made to source information in some tables, some tables lack sourcing entirely. I am not too concerned with lack of sources for their birth and death dates as that can be found on their respective articles, but it is moreso their children. For example, three of Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland's children lack sources.
The article has good spelling and grammar. There are a few fixes that could be made:
"would go on to have" ➜ "had"
"would go on to fight" ➜ "fought"
"would go on long sea voyages..." ➜ "went on long sea voyages..."
"Also, Alexandra and Edward's eldest..." ➜ "Additionally [orFurthermore, Moreover, etc.], Alexandra and Edward's eldest..."
After addressing him, he no longer needs to be repeatedly called "George I", he can just be called "George". Same goes for anyone else with ordinals. If it is a new paragraph, feel free to restate the ordinal. I would suggest however, you write "Christian IX" instead of "Christian" the whole time.
"Dagmar took the name Maria Feodorovna" ➜ "Dagmar took the name "Maria Feodorovna"". Italics not needed here. Quotation marks around her name is optional and up to you.
"Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael were killed during the Russian Revolution." ➜ "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution." Yes, only talking about the children are being talked about, but it is best to include them as they were also closely-related relatives who also died as a result of the Revolution.
In the ALT0 hook, I would change it from "the parents to" ➜ "the parents of".
So, in summary, all that needs to be addressed is the sourcing within tables and a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I am also a bit concerned with the amount of WP:WHITESPACE. If this can't be fixed, it is not too much of a concern. Please let me know if you need any assistance or clarification. I hope this helps and I look forward to hopefully having this in DYK. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for your detailed evaluation and feedback. I have no objections to the ALT0 hook being used on the Main Page. Could you please let me know when I should make the suggested changes? As you noted, I am still in the process of citing some of the information in the tables. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs)02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AndrewPeterT: Great job. There's one other thing I would change. In the caption of the photo that will be used for the hook, I would change "Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at Fredensborg Palace." to "1886 portrait of Christian IX and his family by Laurits Tuxen." It's best the artist is probably credited. Also, in the actual article, in order to aleviate some of the WP:WHITESPACE, I would remove the two protraits of Christian IX and Louise in the background section as there are paintings of them given in the table below so. Once you're done sourcing the table information, please let me know! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for being so accommodating as I found references for all of the information in the tables. I have cited everything to the extent possible (Please note that I was unable to find reliable sources for some lifespan dates). Would you please be able to review the article and let me know if I should make further modifications with the sourcing? AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs)21:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The lifespan dates should be sourced, and if the snippets of Google search results are anything to go by, shouldn't be too difficult to source.--Launchballer14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AndrewPeterT please note that this nomination is now over two months old, which has come to be the time-out point for stalled nominations. If it isn't approved within a week, the nomination is liable to be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: Absolutely. In general, I agree that articles on descendants of individuals are genealogical trivia. However, I created this article on Christian IX's offspring because I believe the specific topic is notable on its own merits. In particular, multiple works of literature have been published on this topic, including:
Aronson 2000, who chronicles the lives of Christian IX's children and their implications on 19th- and 20th-century European geopolitics in his work. (I have linked the 2020 version of this text in the article.) For example, Aronson describes how Alexandra of Denmark and Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) brought anti-Prussian attitudes with them to the British and Russian royal courts, respectively.
Carter 2011, which, among other topics, emphasizes the fact that George V and Nicholas II were first cousins (via Christian IX). Carter also chronicles how George and Nicholas navigated Europe amid World War I and the impact of these experiences on how both viewed their family relationships.
Lerche and Mandal 2003, a text I have admittedly not read yet. However, I have heard, but am not certain, that this book was based on this documentary specifically dedicated to the descendants of Christian IX that contains interviews with members of contemporary European royalty.
The # of grandchildren seems inconsistent. One section adds up to 38, while the next adds up to 39, while saying there's 40. -- GoodDay (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the comment. This article is meant to (only) list Christian IX and Louise's closest descendants per se, as opposed to the titles they held. Consequently, for the sake of conciseness, only the primary realm of Christian X and the other sovereign descendants who ruled over personal unions are mentioned. Indeed, no mention is made of George V being Emperor of India or Nicholas II being Grand Duke of Finland, among other examples. Also, in any case, readers will be able to see that Christian X was King of Iceland via the link to his article. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs)00:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's roll.--Launchballer 16:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
