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Quite a bit of the article is speculation. The theories are more appropriate to fan pages than an entry here. Please snip down to the actual story as presented thus far. LeFlyman 19:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
For whomever is confused, the underground structure is not called "The Hatch" -- a hatch is a door, which was what Locke and Boone initially discovered. The facility should properly called a bunker or station (as per the orientation film). LeFlyman 21:43, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Check out that land mass. - 24.124.89.31 02:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
The Swan could be a reference to Zeus. In the poem Leda and the Swan Zeus morphs into a swan to father Castor, Polydeukes, Clytemnestra, and Helen (of Troy).
Someone added in a new logo which I've removed, from a supposedly "official" site, Megalottojackpot.com. This is not an ABC Television site (contrary to the link at the bottom), but a fan site/hoax, registered to the same person who runs MillionairePlayboy.com The origin of the "cat bird on a stick" Dharma logo is in the forums there. Sorry to be a party pooper. LeFlyman 17:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Coincidentally, just so you don't feel too bad, check out the CNet story on "Lost"-related web sites which originally claimed the MegaLotto site was "official", and a certain correction to it. LeFlyman 10:09, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
The DeGroots look like the fat bearded guy and the blonde woman who threw the Molotov on the boat. It could be just me or is there some sort of connection? One more thing, the profile for Libby says her name is Libby DeGroot. Any connections there? Someone help me out. --Ultrasound 09:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
This is pure fan speculation at this time, and there's nothing that mentions Libby's last name anywhere. —LeFlyman 19:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I admit that the question immeadiately above is just speculation, but it's somewhat verifiable. Why not dredge up some screenshots of the boat, and we'll have a look-see. -Litefantastic 01:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that Libby seems to bear a striking resemblance to the blond woman who threw that molotov onto the raft? We haven't seen a flashback for Libby, and if you go to the Hanso foundation website and click on Alvar Hanso's pic, the hatch computer screen pops up with someone talking to "mole". Could they be saying that a mole is in the group, and that maybe it is Libby, since we know nothing about her and she is very mysterious? [user:Denzel Washington] 04:34, 28 January 2006
Someone has listed the arrow station as "presumably being the zoology station". There is nothing to back this up that has aired on the show OR been revealed elsewhere by an official source, so I am deleting this statement from the caption.
The source "video" is a fake. The hoax material was released on October 21 by someone posting as "Samuel DeGroot" on a fan forum. The second half of the video is taken from a promo video for the Sanoviv Medical Institute -- you can even hear the audio in the background. A couple of weeks ago, the same poster admitted to the hoax. So the lesson is: stick with what has actually been shown on the TV series, not what an anonymous person posted on some Internet forum. —LeFlyman 01:43, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
An interesting thing is this. Admittedly, it's just a forum post, the only method of information in the world with a lower fact content to nonsense ratio than talking to the guy next to you in a bar, but still. All I'll say is they look a heck of a lot more convincing than that 'catbird' logo that's bouncing around. -Litefantastic 23:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
How "localized"? In a mid-series 1 episode, do Locke/Sayid not remark on the inaccuracy of their compasses?
This section was removed; while interesting information, it has nothing to do with "The Dharma Initiative":
Swans are revered in many religions and cultures, especially Hinduism. The Sanskrit word for swan is hamsaorhansa, and it is the vehicle of many deities like the goddess Saraswati. It is mentioned several times in the Vedic literature, and some swans have also been said to have the knowledge of the Supreme Being Brahman. They are said to reside in the summers in the Manasarovar lake and migrate to Indian lakes for the winter, eat pearls, and separate milk from water in a mixture of both. Hindu iconography typically shows the Mute Swan. It is wrongly supposed by many Historians that the word hamsa only means a goose, since today swans are no more found in India, not even in most zoos. However, ornithological checklists like this clearly classify several species of swans as vagrant birds in India.
—LeFlyman 20:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
What does this sentence even mean? "The bunker's only other useable equipment appears to be a large firearms arsenal left behind by Desmond and his predecessors."
How about... the books? The shower? The beds? The sheets? The RECORD PLAYER? The records? The blender? The... man, you get my point. It's an absurd comment.
I was troubled by the redundancy and confusing organization in this article so I decided to have a go at restructuring it. The basic revisions are:
I tweaked the grammar here and there, but kept the same basic content.
I leave it to the earlier architects of this article to revert to an earlier draft if they feel the revision is presumptuous or insufficient.
T McAy, 2:48 24 December 2005
I again need to repeat the mantra that Wikipedia is not the place to try out your personal theories. The following section of pure, Original Research (does anyone even read this policy?), apart from its grammatical and spelling challenges, is completely inappropriate to Wikipedia. Save it for fan site forums and do not re-insert it here.—LeFlyman 08:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Theories involving the Dharma initiative
[2]The supposed Dharma logo is highlighted within a square on the fusealodge. Many believe it to be a sign the dharma is to blame while others believe it to be a simple airplane design
Rumour has it that The Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative are responsible for the events occuring on the island and the main reason for the survivors being stranded in the first place. The logo is a major clue to why this theory could be accurate. We first see the Dharma logo are in the "orientation" film shown in the third episode of season 2. The logo is shown all over the hatch and in the station that the survivors of the tail section of Oceanic Flight 815 sought refuge in. Early on in season one in the episode "White Rabbit" Walt is seen walking along the wing of the plane and in the background a faded yet clearly visible Dharma logo is inprinted on the fusealodge; this suggest maybe dharma is the reason the plane crashed in the first place but others state that airplanes have octaganol shapes inside them as part of their design. The logo is also on the tail part of the shark that allegedly stalked sawyer and Michael when floating on the debris of the raft; during an underwater close up of the shark the logo can clearly be seen. Dharma is also believed to be responsible for the abduction of Walt and the possible explanation of the "others" as the developers of the initiative Gerald and Karen Degroot who feature in the "orientation" film in episode 3 of season 2 look very similar to two of the alleged "Others" on the boat who abducted Walt. The man who speaks to Michael, Walt, Jin and Sawyer who makes the famous claim "give us the boy" looks alot like Gerald Degroot from the orientation film plus 35 years. The woman driving the boat looks alot like Karen Degroot once again plus 35 years. They may be the "Others" themselves or the others may be some kind of failed science experiment who have gotten "sick" which has been mentioned many times. The polar bears are also linked to Dharma as they also feature in the "orientation" film when they mention a possible zoolgy research facility on the island; leading to the possibility they may have in fact escaped.
—LeFlyman 08:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the word true (i.e. true research organisation) because that implies it exists in real life. I'm assuming that is not the case. Since this is Lost we should also state that everything we know may be wrong. DJ Clayworth 20:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Noticed this hasn't been updated to include a reference to the missing splice found by Eko in the bible, and put back into the film by Locke. Someone has done a great job with the transcript, and would be good to have this included there too. I would have a go at updating myself, but I wouldn't do it justice. --139.149.1.211 10:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC) Oh well, someone has removed the entire transcript section, which I feel is a pity. --139.149.1.194 16:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
How can a transcript be a copyright violation? The rest of the article features still images from the show. By that rationale, any sort of quote would constitute a copyright infringement.
π As long as the source is creditted, which it is, it's not a copyright violation. It's not the entire episode and in the interest of the owners of the material, it is self-evident that any discussion/explanation of said property is beneficial to the owners and to the property itself. Please try to ask others before making uneducated decisions. It's this type of undemocratic action that detracts from the value of these articles as a whole.
That picture is not an adequate translation. It does not explain how to come from the glyphs, which presumably are phonetic for Egyptian words, to English, nor does it explain what exactly "caus. die" is supposed to mean.
Has this been seen on-screen? If not, this reference must go... Radagast 15:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
This site is NOT official. Official tie-in sites are registered through whois by Disney/ABC; this site appears to be run by an ISP in Australia. Radagast 18:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
I think we should just have a listing of occurences of the Dharma Logo all in one place or not at all. It doesn't belong in the Trivia section because they are story elements. Anyone thinking along the same lines? MrMorgan 15:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Since DHARMA is now confirmed to be an acronym, it should be written in capitals (according to the article on acronyms). This hopefully will also keep reader's minds from spinning in the wrong direction, since the acronym means that DHARMA has a distinct meaning which is not that of Dharma. Arru 09:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I know this has been confirmed to be an acronym, but I think something has been ignored here. In my studies of Eastern religions, "dharma" is most frequently translated as "duty." specifically in Hinduism, Dharma is the concept of caste duty, or the role that one is supposed to fufill during his life in hopes of improving his standing in the world for the next life, through the cycle of death and rebirth called Samsara. The ultimate goal is to be released from this cycle, and Hindu philosophy states that the best way to be released is to practice one's duty.
Taken in this sense, it seems interesting that the contact we have with the DHARMA initiative is with individuals who are charged with the duty of pushing a button, in order to be released from the endless countdown cycle they are stuck in.
Just a thought that hasn't been brought up... this translation should be noted somewhere. I like acronyms because they are puzzles, and I'll be back shortly with some ideas about what the acronym stands for...
Tuna (68.82.230.65)
There are multiple Latin phrases on the wall. Some include;
Additonal untranslated latin phrases on the map:
--Isotope23 21:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
External Links
Arru 19:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
This information is being marked for deletion because it is not encyclopedic and violates many Wikipedia policies. I have reverted your edits because they contained fancruft, original research, and speculation. Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
The article infers that the '3 of 6' subtitle on the film means that this film is one of six films. One of the notes on the back of the blast door says: "The Swan: 3 of 6 (4,8,15,16,23,42)". Apparently then, the Swan 'hatch' is number 3 of 6. In light of this, the significance of the '3 of 6' subtitle should be reconsidered.