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I have nothing against the Poles but why is this link relevant here: Polish minority in Soviet Union? --Humus sapiens|Talk 23:27, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Link to Polish minority shows that Stalin intended to do with Jews in 1953 the same what he actually has done with Poles 20 years before. What can make you possibly to add a new article History of anti-Polonism. As far as I am concerned Poles earned bitter enemies the moment they become a nation. First chronic writer Thietmar clearly suffered from anti-Polonism. Any association with your History of Anti-Semitism? Cautious 22:14, 23 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
I see that any discussion with you must be done open text: I think your concept of Roman anti-Semitism is equaly non-sense to concept of Thietmar anti-Polonism. More over, Stalin alleged anti-Semitism is also non-sense. Jews, Poles and Russians served the monster, the only difference was that Jews had a chance to serve Stalin for 20 years more then Poles. (I hope you understand, that the people Stalin intended to be victims of the purges were involved in the Stalin crimes before. Of course, Stalin punished always family members and members of ethnic groups, who were mostly innocent) If there is no link to Poland in Doctor's plot it must have been mistake. In 1953 Poland was ruled by the group of mostly Jewish communists. The plan was to replace them with ethnic Polish communists and make Stalin liberator of Poland again. Jewish communists resorted to play with liberal communism on condition nobody would be punished for Stalin-time crimes. This should be clearly linked with Doctor's plot. Cautious 22:57, 23 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_Poland
"The Polish Communists were divided into two informal factions, named "Natolin" and "Pulawy" after governmental building (Palace of Natolin near Warsaw) and Pulawska street in Warsaw where they had their meetings. Natolin consisted previously of ethnic Poles of peasant origin and had a nationalist tendency of a peculiar Communist sort. Pulawy included Jewish Communists as well as old communist intelligentsia and after 1956 was more liberal." (...) "Gomulka returned to the Party leadership in October 1956, after some tough bargaining with Khrushchev, who came to Warsaw to oversee the transfer of power. Hardline Stalinists such as Berman were removed from power, but almost no-one was put on trial for the crimes of the Bierut period. The Pulawy faction argued that mass trials of Stalin era criminals, most of them of Jewish origins, would incite animosity against Jews. Rokossovski and other Soviet advisors were sent home, and Polish Communism took on a more independent orientation. But Gomulka knew that the Soviets would never allow Poland to leave the Soviet orbit, because of its strategic position between the Soviet Union and Germany. He agreed that Soviet troops could remain in Poland, and that no overt anti-Soviet outbursts would be allowed. In this way Poland avoided the risk of the kind of Soviet armed intervention that crushed the revolution in Hungary in the same month. " http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sipa/REGIONAL/ECE/gluchowski.pdf (Go and see what Berman said May 5, 1956 about Popov actions in 1953!) The classical book was "Chamy i Zydy" by Witold Jedlicki Cautious 07:58, 24 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Anything more specific than "read the pdf"?
Your conspiracy theories were proven wrong far too many times. I'm going to move this discussion to the talk:DP page. Objections? --Humus sapiens|Talk 17:53, 24 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
"Every Jew is a nationalist and potential agent of the American intelligence"
- Stalin did not actually say this. This is a mistranslation, and should read "Every Zionist is a nationalist, etc." --Charm Quark 21:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This has no relevance to the situation of 1948 -- in the late 1940's, the Soviet Union strongly supported the coming into existence of Israel (in order to diminish British influence in the mideast, rather than out of any sympathy with Jewish aspirations, it's true), and the Soviet-Arab aligment didn't really exist until a few years into the 1950's. Similarly, Israel couldn't be said to have "allied with the West" in any very meaningful sense until the mid-50's or so (in the late 1940's, Israel actually got most of its heavy arms from Czechoslovakia!). AnonMoos 13:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There was a large doctors' component in the 1938 phoney trial in Moscow. The 1938 trial was the last one in Moscow before 1953. Stalin regarded the 1938 trial as a success. He probably wanted to duplicate this success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.1.27 (talk • contribs)
One or two doctors were not released after Stalin's death as they seem to have died under torture.
Timashuk's name is sometimes spelled Timashchuk.
A "Kruschev" appears in the text. Is this a mistake?
This campaing in the article is called "anti-semitic", however, it is not true, it is "anti-zionist", which is different. I'm changing the references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.91.153 (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Jewish communists, such as the legendary founder of the Cheka, Felix Dzerzhinsky" Since when Dzierżyński is considered a Jew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.29.194 (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"the major landmarks of Soviet state anti-semitism were the massive purged of the 1930s" and "toward the end fo the war the party's anti-Semitic policy became more intense"
It is not right to think that Jews were singled out in Stalin's purges; Lots of other nationalities can make the same claim. Many of the old Bolsheviks were Jews, so you think they were purged because they were Jewish and not because they were political rivals? This is the author's view and it should be attributed to him.
"Stalin had said to him: `Purge the ministry of Jews’ " "Absurdly denying any anti-semitism on the part of Stalin, Molotov held that this purge was designed to bring more ethnic Russians into top positions"
All of your sources for this also state that it was a move in foreign policy for better relations with Nazi Germany. The title of the source you quote from even proves this... Look at the article on Litvinov. So the reason should stay since it shows that it was likely a political decision and not just primitive anti-Semetism.
The article does not flow well at all.
Can we do something to make it a little more readable? No.
Sagi Nahor (talk) 13:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the articles linked to are far less emphatic (polemic?). 68.49.23.150 (talk) 02:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't check all sources here, but let's WP:AGF. Do I understand correctly the following:
Did I miss something really important? My very best wishes (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(Russian text: Таких документов в архивах никто никогда не находил. Массовая депортация евреев даже только из Москвы была невозможна по чисто практическим причинам. В Москве в 1953 году проживало около 400 тысяч евреев, большинство которых было полностью ассимилировано в советском обществе. Для них родным был именно русский язык. Для большей части советских евреев в 1953 году был характерен советский, а не израильский патриотизм. Психология «советского», а не узко этнического сознания была в послевоенный период особенно сильна. Общественное сознание народа не было подготовлено к столь грандиозной «Этнической чистке». Массовая депортация евреев, будь она осуществлена, вызвала бы сильное разрушительное действие на большое число важных сфер жизни общества, прежде всего на систему здравоохранения, просвещения и образования, на науку, культуру, книгоиздательство, прессу и множество других.)
Of course one could make the points (b-d) about any campaign of arrests that was actually conducted by Stalin (so probably that's why other researchers do not take them seriously). Thanks, I got it. My very best wishes (talk) 03:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The way this article presents the alleged planned deportation of Jews, the doctors' plot is merely the tip of the iceberg and the plan to deport the Soviet Union's entire Jewish population to remote parts of the country and then to systematically exterminate them surely must be the main subject. I would suggest that the planned deportation of Jews should be the title of an article, of which the doctors' plot is a mere detail.--Exjerusalemite (talk) 16:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Please keep in mind that wikipedia talk pages are not internet forums (see WP:NOT). They are to discuss improvements of our articles basing on information found in reputable sources. If you do not have specific suggestions on what to add/delete/change, then please look for internet forums which discuss the issue. - Altenmann >talk 06:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Athttp://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/3151/ there is an article by Vladimir Voronov that states that on 3/Feb/1953 the writer Ilya Erenburg has sent a letter to Stalin in which he refers to the project of "The letter to Pravda", which he should sign with other prominent Jews. In that letter he condemns the explosion, which did not even occur by then!!!
That and other clues may directly lead to understanding that the explosion in the Soviet embassy was part of the bigger plot by the Soviet Union itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirovsky (talk • contribs) 21:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Zhanghao1987 is wanting to include the following sentences at the end of the "Khrushchev's statements" section:
and there are three refs for this. Grammar aside (that's easily fixable), I think this is kind of getting off track from the proper scope of this article. It may belong somewhere but not here in this article. Not wishing to edit war over this, I invite the editor to here state his case for including these sentences in the article. Herostratus (talk) 13:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
First paragraph: The doctors' plot was to be the catalyst of Stalin's campaigns against Soviet Jews Shouldn't this be 'climax'? Stalin hardly needed a catalyst for any of his actions. 194.39.218.10 (talk) 11:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you will not think of me as of an anti-Semite if I say that I personally don't like how Jews try to gain credits on the tragedies in their history, how they claim that their sufferings were more important that those of other nations (who cares of Soviet, Poles, Chinese etc citizens (most of whom were civilians) who died during the Second World War, except themselves?) and how they try to find anti-Semitism in any tragic event where a single Jewish surname was mentioned.
So, about this article. It's basically a single version of the plot, possibly original content, which doesn't have hard proofs, described as if it actually were that way. It's not encyclopedic at all, this article should be completely rewritten with other versions mentioned, and generally with some try to explain what really happened. It has a fair share of mistakes (if not direct lie) too, consider this:
>The Kremlin doctors were arrested, but they were all Russian. To keep the conspiracy as Zionist, Ryumin and Semyon Ignatyev, who had succeeded Abakumov as head of the MGB, had the Jewish doctors Etinger supposedly specified also arrested;
You can easily check that Etinger was arrested years before those Kremlin doctors, it was basically vice versa. So, what kind of anti-Semitic plot it is when you firstly arrest a Jew and then, not a few other Jewish doctors which were quite common in Soviet Russia, but a bunch of Russians? IMO the more plausible version it's Stalin was preparing yet another series of repressions vs some people in his entourage, possibly even vs Beria. He already did the same trick when he executed Yagoda, who supposedly used two doctors to kill Gorky. There are other versions too.
Also you probably didn't read that Russian comment in the thread, that person explained that this supposed mass deportation of Jews would be nearly economically impossible, and disregard what you may think of Stalin he, unlike Pol Pot etc communist leaders, didn't do things which could actually ruin the economics of the country, Soviet Union became a super power after all. 217.118.64.53 (talk) 08:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@My very best wishes: I has a very distinct recollection that this historian was discussed in talk page. I see not. Maybe it was elsewhere. Anyway, my two objections to removal this ref.
Therefore please lets review the disputed text piecewise. - üser:Altenmann >t 03:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The article text writes its title variously "Doctors' Plot", "doctors' plot", and "Doctors' plot". I don't have an opinion as to which we should use, but we should be consistent. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 15:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The opinions of significant academics of soviet history like Ian Grey and Zhores Medvedev and the lesser known albeit notable Brent and Noumov are hardly poor sources, in fact they are excellent sources. They are so excellent that Medvedev, Brent and Noumov are cited all thoughout the article. However by cheer coincidence (sarcasm) one editor only wants to remove the parts of the article that is sourced to them in which the view that Stalin fabricated the plot is challenged.
There is clearly scholarly debate on this topic and that shouldn't be censored.95.153.48.2 (talk) 13:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@80.111.226.64: is making controversial changes without having discussed them. Pinging @יניב הורון:. --Jamez42 (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jamez42 not all of it is changing words, most of it is source information and nothing else. What is wrong with those additions?110.74.199.28 (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I saw a quote saying that the doctor's plot was going to happen as a prelude to a purge taking place before a hypothetical third world war, and the source is a Russian popular historian. Why is his conjecture in the first 5 paragraphs? I am planning on removing it. Jpegthebitmap (talk) 23:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This page says March 2, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Gilyarievich_Etinger says March 8 24.193.182.39 (talk) 23:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]