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It appears that this has been nominated for NPOV review. I'd be happy to work on this article to address that, but if the Wikipedian who made that nomination could specify the NPOV issues that they see here, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Masarra 02:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Talk 04:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]Since the editor who added the NPOV tag has not stated why he believes there are NPOV issues on the page, I will be removing the NPOV tag. -- Jeff3000 02:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some references from the World Order article "The Bab: Accounts of His Martyrdom," especially an additional section quoting an anti-Baha'i Shi'ite cleric, whose account (based on his father's witnessing of the event) basically agrees with the Baha'i account. I've also added some caveats about whether sources are primary or not. I've fixed a few accents, cleaned up a bit of grammar, and made more neutral a few terms (such as changing the refernce to Ghulam Ahmad to a "leader" rather than a "figurehead," which could be negative). RHStockman 22:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding his statements immediately prior to the first execution attempt, William Sears has documented the following on page 172 of Release the Sun:
The Báb was thus engaged when the chief-attendant arrived. He insisted upon the Báb's immediate departure. The Báb turned and rebuked the chief-attendant severely. "Not until I have said to him all these things I wish to say," the Báb warned, "can any earthly power silence me. Though all the world be armed against Me, yet shall they be powerless to deter Me from fulfilling, to the last word, My intention."
I was wondering if there were further sources regarding this statement. Peter Deer (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maulana Muhammad Ali's book is not an appropriate source. WP:V requires reliable sources from reliable publishers. Inclusion fails both criteria:
The only wiggle room for self-published authors is in ¶2 of WP:SELFPUB which allows for inclusion if their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". No other third-party uses him or his book as a reference. MARussellPESE (talk) 21:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
W.M. Miller's book is not an appropriate source. WP:V requires reliable sources from reliable publishers. Inclusion fails both criteria:
The only wiggle room for self-published authors is in ¶2 of WP:SELFPUB which allows for inclusion if their "work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". No other third-party uses him or his book as a reference. MARussellPESE (talk) 21:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's another account not mentioned here, by Mirza Kazem Beg, transmitted in French translation. I've posted a facsimile and English translation on my blog at http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/750-muskets/
“At a signal, a platoon from the Christian regiment advanced and fired. By an extraordinary chance, the musket balls struck only the cords with which the Bab was tied: they broke and he felt himself free. A clamour arose. The Bab, it is said, moved towards the people in an attempt to persuade them it was a miracle.”
For reasons I've stated there, this is inherently more plausible than accounts of a whole regiment doing the deed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.155.166 (talk) 20:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
