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Aratnakar (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism on heights of mountains. Dec 2 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.14.102 (talk) 02:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that Reykjavik is the northernmost capital? --AppleNick 22:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since when have the Philippines been regarded as Oceania? Grutness|^hello? 05:34, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Morocco and Yukon low temps are not converted properly between C and F. I don't know which one is correct though, so I won't change them. -J 16 Jun 2005

what is "palestine"? didnt you mean to write israel-jordan? or more accurate israel-westbank-jordan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.186.77.39 (talk) 18:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A proposal has been made to merge this page (Extremes on Earth) with another, similar topic (Extreme points of the world). I like how the subject is broken down in the other topic tree, by continents. But breaking it down by countries may best be done on that country's page. However, the title of the other group of subjects would seem to preclude some of the extremes (such as temperature) that are on this page. I also like the table format on this page, though it has broken down somewhat. More comments? Val42 02:16, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Snag

There appears to be some incorrect edits to the minimum temperatures recorded for North America. The US National Climatic Data Center at Global Extremes shows Snag with a record -81.4 °F (-63 °C) and not the -70 °F claimed here. Unfortunately, Environment Canada does not have records for Snag that show this. The changes went from -63 °C to -69 °C to -70 °C (edited 30th May 2005) by 70.81.118.93. This was then followed by 70.81.117.175 correcting the °F to -94.4 °F to match the -70 °C (31st July 2005).

Resolute

User 70.81.117.175 added the Resolute minimum as -70 °C (-94.4 °F) for 3rd January 2004 (edited 10th September 2005). A check at Resolute extremes (Environment Canada - EC) shows the minimum recorded in Resolute is -52.2 °C on the 07th January 1966. A quick check here EC hourly data, (use the drop down list and pick Nunavut, then click GO. Next drop down list pick Resolute and set the date 03 January 2004) shows that Resolute had nothing near the minimum claimed. Even the wind chill is not close to the -70 °C (I thought the user had mixed air temp and wind chill).

Also user 70.81.117.175 added a box near the bottom showing the "Coldest and Hottest Inhabited Places on Earth". Again a check at Resolute extremes shows the Daily Average Temperature is -16.4 °C not -23 °C.

• A minor quibble here is how you define "inhabited". Resolute is possibly the coldest place with a stable permanent civil population. However, places staffed by non-permanent people such as scientists, weather personnel and military personnel who may only stay part of the year. Then places such as Alert (daily avg -18.0 °C), Eureka (daily avg -19.7 °C) and most stations in the Antarctic would have a colder daily average temperature.

I have left requests for sources on both these users talk pages. CambridgeBayWeather 15:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

for further on this see User talk:70.81.117.175. CambridgeBayWeather 01:32, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the fahrenheit temperature for Morocco to -11.0°, in accordance with [1], which says the temperature was -23.9°C. Also [2] says that the temperature was -11.0°F, and that is -23.9°C. All the values for temperature should now be consistent. Graham/pianoman87 talk 06:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as Tibet, China....it's just Tibet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.234.205 (talk) 23:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure in reference to what, exactly, the preceding comment was made, but (unfortunately) it would appear to be incorrect. According to the "China" entry of the "CIA World Factbook", "Tibet" is officially considered to be the "Xizang Autonomous Region" of the "People's Republic of China/Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo".

For whatever that information may be worth in this context...

—Wikiscient— 23:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source for the recent addition about the temperature of -77.5ºC on Mount Logan? There is no weather station by that name in the national climate archive for Canada, but it only lists the cities in the Yukon Territory. Also, I don't understand why it would not be considered the lowest temperature in North America because of the elevation of the station. This does not happen in Australia; the -23.0°C temperature on Charlotte Pass in Mount Kosciuszko was recorded in the highest valley in Australia (elevation: 1755 m), and is certainly counted in the record. I'm not familiar with how weather information is recorded in Canada; I mostly study Australian weather. Graham/pianoman87 talk 03:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

When I tidied up the section I didn't look at who made the edit. This is the same user that had put -70 at Resolute for the coldest in North America based on what somebody on TV said. See User talk:70.81.117.175#Extremes on Earth. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've removed it. I can't find any evidence of this on google.

Also, I'll replace the coldest inhabited place with Eureka, Nunavut, in accordance with [3] and [4]. Eureka clearly has a lower average temperature of -19.7ºC.Graham/pianoman87 talk 10:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this list both Oceana and Australia? Notthe9 05:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oceania is a continent. Australia is not the continent, rather than a larger portion of it. Another example if incorrect information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.190.8 (talk) 07:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article conflicts with a fact from Resolute, Nunavut.

Resolute, Nunavut says: It is also one of the coldest inhabited places in the world, with an average yearly temperature of -23°C.

Extremes on Earth says: Coldest Inhabited Place: Eureka, Nunavut, Canada Daily Average Temperature is −19.7 °C

Gerrit ^CUTEDH 08:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed with Environment Canada's data that shows Resolute with -16.4

Furthermore, how are we defining "coldest"? Isn't Verkhoyansk the coldest inhabited place, since it has the lowest temperature? I think we should indicate both the average, year-round extremes and the absolute, seasonal extremes. Ibadibam 15:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found this which shows the temperatures at Verkhoyansk. I then did a quick calculation adding all the averages and got a daily average of temperature of -17.2 C. Next I tried the extremes and got an daily average of -13.8 C. Of course without more figures to play with these are gross estimates. The other place that needs to be considered is Oymyakon but it is hard to find data on the averages. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The coldest inhabited place is here said to be Eureka, Canada. According to Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station at the South Pole that is the southernmost continually inhabited place on the planet, and it is clearly colder, average −49 °C (−56 °F). Which place is inhabited ? -- BIL 21:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am willing to believe that the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is colder than Eureka, Nunavut but it does no have a source. THe problem I have with all of these is the way the "inhabited" is defined. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After I saw the comment from Ibadibam above I went to look at the Verkhoyansk article and from there to Pole of Cold. The Pole of Cold article indicates that due to an error in 1892 the temperature in Verkhoyansk was printed as −69.8 °C. I checked back here and found that the temperature in the article was −69.8 °C. So a quick look around and I found the BBC link and the Columbia Encyclopedia link both indicated −67.8 °C (rounded to −68.0 °C). I then saw the Oymyakon had an extrapolated temperature of −71.2 °C (actual recorded −67.7 °C) so I added that as well. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the underside of the glacier of Antarctica considered the lowest point ? Permanent ice (upper side) is considered to be part of the Earths surface, and if it melted, the Bentley Subglacial Trench would be flooded and be the sea floor. BIL 20:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, if this is considered an actual low point, so should the land beneath the Greenland ice cape. It is depressed to about 300 meters below sea level.--Nikolaj Winther 20:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it is 963 meters. I contacted Geus which gave me the correct number. --Nikolaj Winther (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ice is either a kind of water, or a kind of solid substance. If it is water then the sea floor should be included, or at least lakes (e.g. Lake Baikal) since the ocean bottom do not belong to any continent. Since lake bottoms are not included then the under side of ice should not be included. If ice is a kind of solid substance, then its underside should not be included. I plan to change the article. The ice trenches could have their own list, like Greatest oceanic depths. --BIL (talk) 07:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weird - the table contains three highest temperatures that are higher than the one marked as world-wide record. How come? The note [B] at the bottom of the table only explains one of them. --Romanski 17:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at these edits. That's where the problem arose. I suspect that the change in the US vale was obtained from here (search for Death Valley). That's a bit silly as the 53.9 world record in 2005 is lower than the official record from 1913. The Aswan record was obtained from here (this is the third of the external links in the article). A quick look at USA Today which has a list of the US sates and says "Source: U.S. National Climatic Data Center (last updated August 2006)" giving the 1913 record for Death Vally. I reverted back to the older figures based on the NOAA data. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In my and geographers opinion the highest point in Europe is Mont Blanc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ? (talk • contribs) 2007 June 3

The eastern border of Europe varies somewhat, is not clearly defined, especially in Caucasus. But usually Elbrus is said to be in Europe. The usual definition is the watershed, which the border Russia–Georgia follows. Elbrus is north of this border. --BIL 20:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the data in this article is extremely outdated. I'd fix it, but I'm extremely confused by the formatting structure of wikipedia. Here's the link to more recent data: [5]

--67.80.77.104 (talk) 19:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned in the article, the temperatures mentioned in this reference are surface temperatures, which are not comparable with the air temperatures given in the article. To quote [6] on these temperatures:『As anyone who has walked barefoot across a sandy beach or a slab of concrete on a summer’s day can attest, the land underfoot is hotter than the air at head level. As a result, the temperatures shown here could be as much as 40 degrees Celsius hotter than the air temperatures recorded at weather stations.』Spacepotato (talk) 21:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is listed in the Europe section. Russia is not one of the 27 member states off the eec this should be fixed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.250.152 (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Europe is defined as a geographic continent, in this circumstance not as the members of the European union, since this is not a political list. Europe ends at the Ural mountains and at the Caucasus mountains so there is a big European part of Russia. --BIL (talk) 21:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Riodades, in Portugal holds the record, not Seville... Check here:

http://www.dandantheweatherman.com/wortrivaug.html

Seville europe record, is an hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.219 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Both Seville and Portugal records are totally untrue,unofficial and disregarded by international scientists.The above link is not credible source.

The correct,OFFICIAL and peer reviewed European record is 48.0 in two suburbs of Athens (Elefsina and Tatoi) in 10-7-1977 according to the World Meteorological Organisation. In fact the initial Athens temperature record is 48.7 and was later rounded down to 48.0 by the official Greek Authorities.The Attica Basin in Greece is by far the warmest place in Europe during summer and this is evident with the extreme temperatures of the area each summer.Again in 2007 another suburb of Athens recorded a 47.5 temperature officially. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 09:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC) http://wmo.asu.edu/europe-highest-temperature[reply]

On wikipedia page about Sicilian town http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenanuova there is stated it owns THE highest temparature in Europe (48,5°C). But is it?Catenanuova's 48,5°C confirmed: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/maxcrc/temp.html ... and unconfirmed = judged as unofficial: http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=35877&posts=77&start=1 ... i assume it should be corrected on Catenanuova's wikipage that it is a mere unofficial europe record. 77.38.44.85 (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

European record at 53,2°C (03 Aug 2003) in Seville? Someone badly messed up facts as highest temparature ever there was a doubted 50,0°C (back in 19th century), not to mention that on 03 Aug 2003 the highest temparature in Seville was not so extreme 42,0°C. Please correct european record to Athens 48,0°C or Catenanuova 48,5°C or possibly to a doubted Seville 50,0°C, please. I suppose Asia's record in Tirat Tsvi 53,9°C (though i must tell that 1942 record lacks clear evidence - at my knowledge record is had "only" 52,7°C; as also considered "very dubious") was lately in jeopardy by recent Mohenjo Daro's 53,5°C (this week, also Pakistan's record and possibly Asia's record too). 77.38.44.85 (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the correct record for Europe that is official and recognized internationally by the sole authority in weather extremes WMO is in Athens,Greece —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 21:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also just a correction regarding the Athens temperature record. This was recorded in Elefsina and Tatoi and both are suburbs of Athens so it is better to put in the graph just Athens. Elefsina is in Athens and is not a different city. I dont know why WMO mentions it seperatelly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 09:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please someone, change highest temperature in Europe. Data that it is MOSTAR from 26.06.2016. is not correct. It was hot day, but temperature of 50 C was measured on sun and concrete and real one was arround 35 C. And that info was used for newspapers as sensationalistic headline. I would change myself but i dont know what data is accurate. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.23.87.230 (talk) 13:03, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know that canada had the greatest pure vertical drop from a mountain cliff. I have climbed many of the highest peaks in canada and prided myself on knowing the topography, I thought that such a record would be held by some himilayan mountain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.98.205.86 (talk) 06:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This claim cannot be true. The topographic map clearly indicates that the vertical section can be no more than 800 metres. Stastein (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which is in Athens.Please be advised that we are talking here about officials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.190.60 (talk) 16:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The location and temperature is wrong, should be changed according to Argentina's Weather Service. Reinsalkas (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lut Desert(or Dasht-e Lut) in iran with a temperature of 159.5 F (70.83 C) is Highest in asia. sources : The Hottest Spot on Earth and Some of the hottest places on Earth I am new in wiki, Please edit it. Hossenf (talk) 13:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The list already mentions that temperature; see Note C. —Mrwojo (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you decide are you going to use names of the mountains or names of the peaks.

Asia - Name of the mountain: Himalayas - Name of the highest peak: Mount Everest - You chose the name of the peak.

Furthermore, the peak completely lies within Nepal, NOT in Nepal-China Border.

Africa - Name of the mountain: Kilimanjaro - Name of the highest peak: Kibo - You chose the name of the mountain.

Any explanation? Why don't you use either names of the mountains or names of the peaks, but not combine them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.153.231 (talk) 13:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Everest is big.

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The hottest temparature records seem to misleadingly "compare apples with oranges" so to speak. The Lut desert in Iran is listed as attaining a temperature of 159 degrees F, but it is cited to a webpage HERE saying that it reflects『The single highest LST [Land Skin Temperature]... of 70.7°C (159.3°F)—more than 12°C (22°F) warmer than the official air temperature record from Libya.』And don't listings for other continents record air temperature? Parallel to the hottest air temperature column, which should be kept free of LST interlopers, reverting to Libya as the entry for asia, maybe the table needs a fifth column: Highest LST (which could include the Lut desert entry, plus others from other continents). --Presearch (talk)

There is no point in counting NORTH and SOUTH America as separate continents, when they are a single continental mass, as well as considering, that if both should be separated, then CENTRAL AMERICA needs to be added. Panama, Honduras, Belize, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador and Costa Rica are what conforms this continent, neither of them being part of North or South America.

Which would make it 8 continents (Africa, North, South and Central Americas, Antartica, Asia, Europe, Oceania) in total, or 6 (Africa, America, Antartica, Asia, Europe, Oceania).

I'm trying to build an equivalent list for Mars at DRAFT:Extremes on Mars, any suggestions about structuring the article are welcome (subdividing the planet) as is help. Please leave comments on the talk page draft talk: extremes on Mars -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This page claims that the "southernmost continental point of land" is Cape Froward, in South America, as opposed to the "southernmost point of land", the geographic South Pole. Is this some meaning of "continental" that I am not familiar with? Because the South Pole is on the main body of a continent, so I don't understand how it wouldn't be the southernmost continental point of land. Perhaps this should be changed to something like "... outside of Antarctica"? Rwv37 (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, I've added "outside Antarctica". I suppose whoever wrote that forgot that Antarctica is a continent too. I've kept in "continental" since otherwise we'd have to take into account islands, many of which lie farther south than Cape Froward's 53°56´S. Daß Wölf 02:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wouldn't this article benefit from a merger with the very similar Extreme points of Earth? I really like the idea behind articles like these, since they try to sum up all of the relevant facts about Earth's most extreme places in one convenient article, but it seems that both articles are attempting to be that "one convenient article" for all of Wikipedia.

Both are ostensibly built upon the same premise: to list, concisely and conveniently, all of Earth's superlative places according to various categories. If you were going to construct such an article from scratch, you would probably want to include geographical categories like highest and lowest points, northernmost/southernmost/easternmost/westernmost points, most remote points, etc.; as the situation currently stands, these categories are mostly handled by Extreme points of Earth (though Extremes on Earth also seems to focus on geographical superlatives and lists high and low points by continent as well as northernmost and southernmost points of land, so there is at least some redundancy between the two articles). Other valuable superlatives might include categories that are more meteorological in nature, things like hottest and coldest, wettest and driest, etc., some of which are lightly covered in Extremes on Earth and much more completely and precisely in List of weather records.

The fact that both Extremes and Extreme points seem to be attempting to present the same broad classes of information but in separate articles (and that they both explicitly reference each other in their introductions) makes me think readers might be better served if all of this information was simply combined into a single article. The presentation of Earth's physical and geographical superlatives is, I believe, a cohesive-enough concept to warrant a single all-inclusive page. As the two articles currently exist, there's a great deal of overlap between them, enough that it is confusing and even frustrating that such similar information is not listed together on a single page. Categories like "Greatest vertical drop", "Greatest oceanic depths", "Deepest ice", and the "Subterranean" extremes are certainly similar enough to geographical superlatives like "Highest points" and "Poles of inaccessibility" that I do not think putting these things side-by-side in the same article would be problematic for any reader; one article can and should capture all of these extremes at the same time, rather than merely suggesting a visit to some other page where the reader can find more of the same. Indeed, trying to articulate a precise distinction between the categories in each article is very difficult to do. It's clear to me, and I hope to others, that the information presented in the two articles is not distinct enough to remain segregated.

Both articles have valuable unique information as well as share redundancies that would obviously need to be corrected in the case of a merger. Extreme points is currently organized and streamlined much more logically than its counterpart, which seems to be more or less a random smattering of facts without any semblance of unity. Organization of the merged article would need to be addressed quickly, but if nothing else I suppose the randomness of Extremes could at least be placed in a "Miscellaneous" section or something of the sort in the final result. Extremes also has a beautiful table displaying high and low elevations and high and low air temperatures for each continent which I think would be valuable even in a merged article. The question that remains, of course, is which article title should be retained? Either would work, I guess, but I like Extremes on Earth better, if only because some categories as they are currently defined may not be best described as "points".

While meteorological superlatives are possibly relevant inclusions, I think the bulk should be left to List of weather records. Hottest and coldest, and maybe wettest and driest, are probably sufficient for this article. I'm also down with cutting them out entirely and leaving the merged article as a showcase of purely physical and geographical extremes.

Anyone else have an opinion on any of this? What are your thoughts regarding a potential merger, and what do you think the idealized article ought to include? PJsg1011 (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This section claims the longest sea-based path, from Karachi to Kamchatka, has its antipodal point near Amlia Island, in the Aleutians. Notwithstanding the fact that any geodesic longer than half a circumference will have two of these points depending on which end you begin, it's an impossibility for two points in the same hemisphere to be antipodal. This claim is also not mentioned in the linked sources.

This issue seems to be repeated among the other geodesic entries - I'm not sure how noteworthy this detail is, and at any rate it needs a source confirming it if it's using a definition I'm unfamiliar with. I'm inclined to remove these details otherwise. Epsilon.Prota (talk) 10:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please add, Longest river, Widest point on a river, Deepest point in a river, Fastest flowing river, Highest water pressure, Most Tributaries, and any other river, stats, you think count. 192.249.230.167 (talk) 02:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]