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There is a much different meaning (which I do not understand) beyond the nebulous one addressed in this article. One of the movements in J. S. Bach's St. Matthew Passion is described as Fantasia on O Mensch Bewein Dein Sunde Gross Can anyone address this in a meaningful fashion? 128.84.183.251 (talk) 03:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are some Italic spellings in the beginning of the article waiting for wikifying and I don't know how I can fix them. — Hamid Hassani (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the markup for italics would do the trick but, for some reason, the lang template doesn't automatically supply the intended italics when the language in question is English. Words treated as words should be italicized, and if the template won't do it, and complains when the markup is added, then the sensible thing would be to dispense with the useless template.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, I just dislodged the English equivalents from the template. Best, Hamid Hassani (talk) 05:38, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is exactly what I would have done. Thanks. If another editor can come up with a better solution, then more power to them!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

18 April 2021, Phillipwserna added recordings of Renaissance era fantasias to the page Fantasia as is the era the genre developed from the vocal motet & madrigal (source of imitation used in the genre). 18 April 2021, intforce removed recordings. Edit dispute broke out about lack of representation of multiple periods of repertoire. Phillipwserna stated that as it is my expertise on Renaissance & Baroque fantasias, it is not my responsibility to contribute recordings beyond that area of expertise & found the removal unacceptable and have come here to the talk page to seek consensus on said content contributions and aforementioned removal beyond discussion between myself, Phillipwserna & intforce on my talk page [[1]] in which I reiterate my comments from that page (plus additional comments/ links below): "I appreciate your feedback on your edits to Fantasia (music), but was rather taken aback - an admittedly kneejerk reaction - by what was perceived initially as a hostile deletion (i.e. "Far too overblown; keep recordings to a reasonable number of recordings representative of fantasias of all periods"). While I agree that the number of recordings is likely too much considering the very skeletal state of the article, I cannot be expected to create recordings of 18th, 19th & 20th century fantasias, that is completely outside what I have time or energy to contribute. The assertion that "None of the composers or works are mentioned in the article" is completely fair, but Byrd, Jenkins & Purcell (whose articles I have contributed recordings to) are an infinitesimally small representation of the Pre-Baroque literature of the Fantasia - the Oxford article includes a great deal more depth. The suggestion that I should include "Fantasias by Bach, Telemann, Mozart and other more notable compositions" again is beyond my remit to contribute, although I may be able to contribute one of Telemann's recently discovered viol fantasias over the next year as I record all of them. I would think it fair that the description 'More notable' is arbitrarily subjective as John_Cooper_(composer), Alfonso_Ferrabosco_the_younger, & Orlando_Gibbons's fantasias are among many significant late 16th/ early 17th-century composers noted in articles on Wikipedia & in the The_New_Grove_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/ Oxford University Press (& Online). Nonetheless, I do not want to be engaged in an edit war with you, let alone extensive & tiring arguments. I would much rather start over with a greater deal of courtesy towards each other - on both our parts. Now, as I have not been engaged in lots of these sorts of discussions on here, I hope I have done this right and please forgive my etiquette on reverting the edits as I would rather have an open dialogue. I hope I have responded appropriately, but this is my 1st lengthy response & 1st since 2012, so please be patient with me." As per the The_New_Grove_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians online at https://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000040048 all aforementioned composers, John_Cooper_(composer), Alfonso_Ferrabosco_the_younger, Orlando_Gibbons alongside 'significant composers of Fantasias' in section (viii) Great Britain alongside composers "... Richard_Dering, Michael East...Thomas Ford...Thomas_Lupo_the_elder, Peerson, Thomas_Tomkins, John_Ward_(composer) and William White... Charles Coleman, William Cranford, John Hingeston, Simon Ives, John_Jenkins_(composer), William_Lawes, Richard_MicoRichard_Mico and John Okeover" and this is only a small representation of a large number of renaissance composers who developed the genre in one country despite the distortion and reinvention of the style in the 18th & 19th centuries, reduced to a theme & variations by the 20th. Nonetheless, I understand and agree with you intforce that the recordings I contributed are but a small part, but I reiterate, it is not my professional mandate to provide free content other than what I intended. Nonetheless, I would genuinely appreciate looking forward to your suggestions of what sort of consensus can be reached. --Phillipwserna (talk) 04:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]