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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie, No consensus, #Requested move 20 January 2022 Older discussions: RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie, No consensus, 8 February 2007, /Archive 1#Requested move RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer), No consensus, 24 October 2010, /Archive 2#Requested move (November 2010) 1 RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie, No consensus, 27 November 2010, /Archive 2#Requested move (November 2010) 2 RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer), No consensus, 14 December 2012, /Archive 3#Requested move (January 2013) RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer), Not moved, 21 February 2013, /Archive 3#Requested move (February 2013) RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer), Not moved, 24 May 2013, /Archive 3#Requested move (May 2013) RM, Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer), Not moved, /Archive 3#Requested move 27 February 2015

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Please add a hatnote for Dennis Frederiksen, who was a vocalist also credited as just "Fergie".

{{confused|Dennis Frederiksen}}

-- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 14:34, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ––FormalDude talk 17:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is standard practice of WP:Disambiguation needing a new local consensus? It is already a WP:Guideline on Wikipedia. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 18:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the move request was: No consensus to change the primary topic. The recent bold split of Fergie and Fergie (disambiguation) was also questioned, and seems dubious, so will revert that too. It can be discussed separately if anyone wants to resurrect it.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Fergie (singer) → Fergie
• Fergie → Fergie (name)

– I think she's the most popular Fergie of all. Note: Please also move FergietoFergie (name), such this was done to Kim Jong-hyun (moved from Kim Jong-hyun (singer) successfully) TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose move. No evidence has been provided that she is the primary topic. O.N.R. ^(talk) 11:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The singer is the most popular article with the name, but it still gets less than half of the outgoing traffic from Fergie ([1]), so it's not the primary topic with respect to usage. Now that we're here, am I the only one who doesn't see the point of the recent split between Fergie and Fergie (disambiguation)? – Uanfala (talk) 13:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I might be reading that chart wrong, but isn't she getting ~70-75% of outgoing traffic? Station1 (talk) 00:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose. It's a close case, but I don't think the singer quite makes it to the primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. The singer gets thousands of pageviews per day, compared to 89 for the name (formerly dab) page and 32 for the only other article on WP that would actually be titled "Fergie", Fergie (DJ). The number of dab page views is somewhat high, and it looks like a significant majority of dab page viewers want the singer. The next largest (and only significant} number want Sarah, Duchess of York, who should be linked directly from a hatnote. Right now, we're causing 60+ readers per day to needlessly wind up on a dab page. Station1 (talk) 00:11, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, see Sarah Ferguson and others listed at Fergie (which should indeed be merged back with Fergie (disambiguation).) 162 etc. (talk) 00:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support 2nd, the DAB page should probably be at the base name as a compromise. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose helping no one and clearly not the case with UK Fergie in the news again. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support 2nd, no PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose moving the singer; there's the two UK entries, of Sir Alex Ferguson, and Duchess Sarah Ferguson, both frequently known as "Fergie"; if the dab page is moved to be base name, these two Fergies should be added to the dab page, as they are now part of the name page only. However, I don't see why the name page should be moved, just leave the name page as the base target. It's certainly mostly used as a name, and not other subjects. I don't think merging the dab page into the name page would be all that good, since the information about being a form of "Fergus", "Ferguson", "Fergusson" cannot be held in a disambiguation page (it would have a line with three links), and the non-name topics cannot be held in a name page. Thus the two pages are not compatible with each other. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support 2nd. The name (non-)article is not the primary encyclopedic topic. —  AjaxSmack  08:50, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support There are only 2 Fergies using it as an article title and she's the most notable. Showiecz (talk) 10:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Clearly not the only Fergie and not the primary topic. The Duchess of York is just as well-known by this name. The fact this one's article is titled just by the name is irrelevant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support both, otherwise 2nd The outbound clicks from Fergie show that the singer gets 3:1 more clicks than the duchess,[2] and the singer has "Fergie" as their common name. FWIW, Fergie, Duchess of York is the only "Fergie" redirect for the duchess, and has few pageviews. In any event, the name list should not be the primary topic (it was changed on 13 Jan) —Bagumba (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I suggest we remove the line in the opening paragraph about Fergie not considering herself a rapper. Listen to her albums - both solo and with BEP. She’s a rapper as well as a singer. We should not let Fergie’s moment of humility in a 2006 Rolling Stone interview somehow invalidate her as a rapper (especially in the opening intro). She was showing respect to the culture, but she is, in fact, a rapper.

Please remove the following line: “Although she vocally incorporates rapping into some of her performances, she does not consider herself a rapper.” 2603:8000:7302:5E4A:4498:A2D9:9A3A:FD75 (talk) 21:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She attended: Los Molinos elementary, Mesa Robles Middle School, Glen a Wilson high school 2603:8000:4501:99E0:8C46:417A:FD76:F049 (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]