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Though I think it's a nice topic, this text may need some editing. With over 800 people having broken 4 minutes (http://w1.196.telia.com/~u19603668/atb-m07.htm) one is not really considered a great miler anymore - maybe for the amateur runner. Jeronimo 800 out of 6600 million is still "great." That is about 8 out of a million! NoraTes (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be better to merge this into World record progression for the mile run?Agentsoo 23:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Has a women ever run a 4 minute mile? If so, who was the first woman to do so?--66.56.42.131 01:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, a woman has never run a 4 minute mile. And probably wont for the next several years. - Scotown
I would say probably never will. The reason being the mile race in no longer run, being replaced by 1500 m events. Runners don't train for miles anymore, only metric distances.68.105.199.216 (talk) 04:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently reads "No woman has ever run a four-minute mile, although it is not thought to be physically possible." Shouldn't that be "... not thought to be physically impossible"? 24.4.196.194 14:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article says: "... previously thought to be impossible 4 minute mile ...". Who thought it was impossible? Was this the general concensus before 1954? Of track athletes? Of sports medicine physicians?
I find it somewhat hard to believe that *everybody* thought it was impossible, given that the World_record_progression_for_the_mile_run had been dropping fairly regularly for 100 years, and that two Swedes had run within 5 seconds of it multiple times, 10 years before. (And if not *everybody*, then who?)
Here's a some sources on the topic. I had a look at the Time magazine archive to see what they said about the four minute mile pre-1954. Relevant headlines were:
Other publications seem to have been running similar stories. I think the general conclusion from these sources is:
From these contemporary sources, there is no backing for the view that "In the 1940s running a four minute mile was thought to be the physical limit of the human body", which I have now removed from the text. Similarly, while it's not uncommon to find modern writers making it sound like people thought the four minute mile was impossible right up until it was broken, I think we need to be a bit sceptical - it makes for a good story, but it doesn't seem to be backed up by good sources from the period. More digging around in archives might help.
Enchanter 21:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I recall a race - 1970s is my guess - in which at least five runners got home in less than four minutes. The distance is less often run these days - 1500 m is much more common - so I wonder if this is still a record for multiple four minuters. My (fallible) memory tells me that Marty Liquori was one of them. If anyone has a recollection or a reference, this would be worth including in the piece.Cross Reference (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
According to alltime-athletics.com, at a race in Berlin on August 26th, 1997, Duncan Kibet ran under 4 minutes and finished 17th.
It seems inappropriate that the start of this article devotes so much time to wild speculation about a 3 minute mile. This appears ludicrous to anyone with knowledge of the rate at which athletics records have improved over the last 50 years, and the slowing of this rate over that period. 82.17.206.121 12:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I moved the unsubstantiated speculation to here. If someone can find an authority to be cited on this issue, the "3 minute mile" may be justified as a topic to be addressed in the article. On a technical point, the reason a sub-45s 400m is possible is due to the capacity of the muscles to do anaerobic work as well as aerobic work. A 400m run uses almost all the muscle's anaerobic capacity, making it unreasonable to expect someone to do another three sub-45s 400m runs straight afterwards without a rest.
Authorities of sports medicine have long speculated that a three minute mile is beyond the capacity of human beings. However, considering that, first of all, that the same was once claimed of the four-minute mile, and secondly, that the world record in the 400m is 43.18 seconds, a three minute mile—which would take just under 45 seconds per 400 meters—may be possible.
82.17.206.121 13:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The following section was added last month by User:Beshkno, but was recently deleted without comment. Though I'm not convinced it's "official", the incident does seem to be well covered by reliable sources [6] [7] [8]. Any thoughts on mentioning it in the article, maybe without demoting Bannister to "second"?
Deleted without comment..hm..."The incident does seem to be well covered by reliable sources," then why not include it in the entry? Does someone object to the fact that a non-white person will be promoted to "first?" Thought that the whole point of this project was to supply truth and facts, not filtered through someone Anglophilic perception. Beshkno 17:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Beshkno[reply]
Bannister was the first to set a world record of under 4:00 in the mile, period. I've heard other claims besides the two mentioned, but they were not achieved under verifiable conditions. The 1876 claim would not be considered a "record" as the track sounds like it is non-standard. No records would be recognized on an 800 m track even if they ran 10 seconds faster than the recognized standard. Which is why organizations like the IAAF came into existence - to set up a system of standards by which athletes in track and field could be compared.
There seems to be a bit of confusion here as to what constitutes a "record" - while many claims about many "records" have been made over the decades, the issue of verifiability is the key one. Anyone can say literally anything they want about some claimed achievement made - bodies like the IAAF however set up systems whereby conditions are as constant as can be (standard track sizes, terrain, elevation, wind etc) and protocols so that times and distances can be verified. Anecdotal claims are interesting, but they can't be verified, even if the claims may be true. Canada Jack 15:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to ammend some of the above - the "non-standard" track claim I made would, at the time, not have been an issue. But the lack of corroboration would have been the main reason this anecdotal time (and there were quite a few others who also claimed the "first") can not be recognized. Canada Jack 17:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that I remember a lot of controversy about possibility of 4 minute miles and other records being broken in the remote past. Whether true or not, it seems plausible when one considers that in the 19th century and earlier many more people relied upon their feet as the primary or only mode of transportation.Jrm2007 (talk) 19:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the addition of the first American to break the four-minute mile. If we add him, we are going to have to add an entry for the first Canadian/Kazakh/Antarctican etc etc who did as well. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 22:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should also remove the information about Alan Webb. Don Bowden is more significant than Alan Webb. Tuyvan 14:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By the way do we really need so such information on US High School athletes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davebesag (talk • contribs) 19:09, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The intro to this article says the 4 min mile "is now the standard of all professional middle distance runners" and then "remains the standard by which all male amateur milers are measured". Is these two claims contradictory, or not? To whom exactly does this "standard" apply? Hult041956 (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, metric races are the standard now. No one uses miles anymore as the race has been replaced by 1500 m, thus no one rains for it. 68.105.199.216 (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is only true if Komen completed the first half in less than 4:00 but more than 3:58.61. If the first mile was completed in less than 3:58.61, then the second mile cannot have been under four minutes. Note that Komen ran a 3:46.38 mile about a month after the two mile race. —Ryan (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice to expand this article with some stuff about the former "mystique" of the 4-minute barrier and how big a deal it was when it was broken...there's a lot of info about that in books such as Neal Bascomb's The Perfect Mile. I don't have it handy, but maybe someday I can try to add some stuff to this article. Politizer talk/contribs 16:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't this famous image of Bannister's first sub-4 used in the article? Getty Images should still hold the copyright, but I'm sure we can make a valid fair-use claim. It could probably also go in Roger Bannister as well. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"One of the few American elite runners was Bay to Breakers rookie Scotty Bauhs, a Danville native who holds the world record for the youngest person ever to run a mile in less than four minutes and a 10,000-meter race in less than 28 minutes."[9] Location (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Before the Four minute mile was actually broken, It should be noted who were expected to break it, in addition to the actual initial record. Louis Zamperini, for example, was expected to break it before his service in WWII. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.249.227.181 (talk) 17:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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