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Hello, somebody just added to the discussion page of the Dutch wiki that we should rename the article to Gerd von Rundstedt as we have now named it Karl von Rundstedt. All of the books I have read about the second ww in Dutch (and these are quite a lot) refer to the man als Karl! Why was chosen for the lemmaname of Gerd? Waerth 21:21, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
AFAIK he didn't use his other two forenames, he is usualy referred to as only Gerd von Rundstedt. --Denniss 15:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason all attempts to introduce some realism into an article that appears as an insuffereble love fest for Rundstedt aresummarily reverted. It has long become depressingly apperant that Wikipedia is colonised by some incorrugible Wehrmacht worshippers, but this too much.
May i ask which source says that the count of prisoners of Kiev siege was approximately 400.000?
the Soviet marshal Moskalenko reported in 1969 that the some total of Soviet troops possesd by the encircled units was a mere 452,000 while Erickson reports that a total of 150,541 subsequently escaped or fought their way out of encirclement. This would put the total of Soviet troops permanently trapped in the pocket at almost exactly 300,000 of whom a large number doubtlessly died fighting. However Glantz, though accepting Moskalenko's tally, puts the number of Soviet troops who made it out of encirclement at around a mere 15,000 (When Titans Clashed) I am inclined to accept Erickson's figure and regard the 15,000 figure as a mere typo but in the absence of conclusive proof I cannot authorotatively exclude it. What is one to do???. Giving Rundstedt the benefit of the doubt I reluctuntly accepted the Glantz figure. Perhaps the matter should be more extensively covered in a footnote in the article itself for it seems very likely that the actual figure was a mere 300,000 permanently trapped and that Glantz's 15,000 breaking out of encirclement was indeed a mere typing error, but how does one get in touch with Glantz to make sure?!
The case of Rundstedts apply for a halt is not definite.Liddell Hart tells the opposite while Willam Shirer thinks he is responsible for the halt order.I request it to be removed from the article. About Kiev casualties: Evan Mawdsley gives the number 616.000, Anthony Beevor 665.000 (prisoners only) and Norman Davies the 657.000's. Guderian claims 290.000. (Also prisoners only)
Curious. Davies quote 'numerous sources', Mawdsley 'Poteri' (?) and Beevor is quite vague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.243.127.162 (talk) 10:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In the article it says something about two images but there is only one. Why does it say 2 images if there is only one?
I am not sure why this is taking up so much space in the Rundstedt article. It's a tiny part of Rundstedt's overall career. It might merit more space in the article on Hitler, perhaps, but not here. -- Hongooi 18:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is it Rundstedt or Randstedt? On the German Wiki its the later.--Mrg3105 (talk) 03:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since i'm suspect of vandalism, i state here i made a small change in the word "Halder" in the section "World War II". Geez. 200.222.3.3 (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I found a reference to Rundstedt in an article on the actor Leo G. Carroll, who portrayed him once. Reference is made to his war crimes record, and I wondered if it belonged in that article. Can someone take a look? Thanks.--Stetsonharry (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My great uncle ran a prisoner of war camp. He sent me pictures painted and signed by Von Rundstedt Are they valuable? They are decent water colors —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.182.213 (talk) 03:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello people - somebody has removed my entries from Keagan 1974 and everthing I ever has read atbout R. Please tell me why Keagan i 74 was wrong and all the rest. I will ad then again, but ok i this time I will be more precise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjoh (talk • contribs) 00:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This article is rather sloppy, with a good bit of what seems to be POV - and not consistent POVs! Needs a full cleanup.
Having just read Messenger's biography, I agree that this article is second-rate. Like most Wikipedia biographical articles, it contains too much anecdote and too little history. I might have a go at fixing it. I am also highly sceptical about this quote: "Von Rundstedt, addressing the Reich War Academy in Berlin in 1943, declared: "One of the great mistakes of 1918 was to spare the civil life of the enemy countries, for it is necessary for us Germans to be always at least double the numbers of the peoples of the contiguous countries. We are therefore obliged to destroy at least a third of their inhabitants. The only means is organized underfeeding which in this case is better than machine guns." I realise this is referenced, but anyone who has read a Rundstedt biography will see that it is totally out of character, and I very much doubt he said it. The reference given is not to a history work but to a polemical article which gives no source for the quotation. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten this article down to 1939. I'll do the rest when I have time. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have now rewritten the article down to July 1944. I will do the rest next week if I have time. I have also tracked down the source of the above quotation, and as I suspected it's a fabrication, or at least a misattribution. I will refer to it in the proper place. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 02:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am doing the referencing in what seems to me to be the cleanest and simplest way. Please leave it as it is until I have finished the rewrite, otherwise it's going to be a hybrid mess and I won't be able to see what I'm doing. After I've finished, if people really want to redo all the referencing, we can argue about that then. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 11:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction between "notes" and "references" which you are imposing on this article is pointless and confusing. In a printed book, to be sure, notes appear at the foot of the page while references (usually) appear at the end of a chapter or at the end of the book. But this is not a book, there are no pages, and both notes and references appear at the end of the article. So what is the point of separating them? Particularly when this leads you to split my footnotes into two or three sections, destroying the sense. The note about the number of officers expelled by the Honour Court makes clear that the sources are contradictory, but this point is lost when you split it in two. The note about "Make peace, you fools!" makes it clear that different versions are extant because Blumentritt gave out different versions, but you obscured this by splitting it into three. So now I have to spend my morning rechecking all the footnotes to see what else you've messed up.Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little confused by the "Last years" section. It says: "His wife was living in Solz, but this was in the American Zone, where he could not travel because the American." In the next paragraph it says: "He and Bila were temporarily housed in an old people's home near Celle." There's no indication as to when they reunited, and under what circumstances. Would someone be able clarify what happened? Thanks - Akamad (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually never.Although someone wrote in greek wiki he was released from his service three times by Hitler[[1]],that's no true:the third(wrong) and last one(wrong also) supposed to be on July 1944 ,but truth is Hitler just replaced him for the second time(first one was on East Front in 1942).Generalfeldmarschal von Runstend has always been "Wermacht's older soldier"(his very words),to the end of WW II.28regiment (talk) 08:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC) [[2]][reply]
In the section, "Plot to Kill Hitler", "Court of Honour" is translated as "Ehrenhof". Should it not be "Ehrengericht"? "Hof" is indeed a court, in a general sense and with several meanings. But a court in the sense of a court of law or other types of judgements or trial, is a "Gericht" or "Gerichtshof". Best regardsTheBaron0530 (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe not. 2A02:AA1:164E:6BC3:306D:C97E:472E:CE96 (talk) 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]