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During the final episodes of Season 4 of Star Trek: Enterprise, this song was used during the episode preview ads. The UPN tagline was "Give A Little Bit (of your time to Enterprise)", then the tagline for the episode preview. LReyome254 (talk) 18:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can't believe there's not more information about The Gap commercial covers or the Coca-Cola security-camera ad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.76.177 (talk) 22:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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World Party references the song's chorus in their 1990 single "Put the Message in the Box" from Goodbye Jumbo. http://www.metrolyrics.com/put-the-message-in-the-box-lyrics-world-party.html Asat (talk) 18:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I have removed the infobox and description of the Classics Live version because it wasn't released as a single, it wasn't talked about in the media, and it's not important to the topic. Of course we will still tell the reader that the song appears on that album, which was recorded in 2010 during Hodgson's world tour. But the infobox and separate section is wa-a-ay too much weight to be giving that version. Binksternet (talk) 08:13, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging QuietestMoments and Iridescentbutterfly who both worked on the Classics Live section. Binksternet (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only notable version here is the version by Supertramp, as the sources bear out. The decided lack of reliable sources for the Classics Live version show it is not notable.

Though Hodgson wrote the song, his version is a cover version. Despite the user-created image and the infobox proclaiming it a "single", this seems to be an effort to elevate a live album track of no particular note above the well-known and clearly notable single by Supertramp.

The info box for the live version does not belong in the article, and certainly does not belong at the top of the article. The cover for "Classics Live" is NOT fair use in this context. The live version clearly fails WP:COVERSONG, with a section that recycles the promotional quote as if it were an independent source. When a novel comes out, we typically quote reviews by critics published in reliable sources. We do not use quotes from the dust jacket or the author's website.

Long story short: The live version of the song merits, at most, a single sentance mentioning it exists, if that. - SummerPhD^v2.0 18:19, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to the discussion at Talk:The_Logical_Song#Removing_the_Classics_Live_infobox_and_section, I am proposing a revert to the version before the additions by Iridescentbutterfly and their confirmed sock QuietestMoments. - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:32, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think Supertramp's version is clearly more notable and should have the main focus and greatest weight of the article. However, I do think it's history merits more than a single sentence as suggested by SummerPhD. I'd support a reversion but with some context added to its origins. MartinezMD (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see no arguments in favor of keeping the single infoboxes for this non-single. I have removed both the top one with the fan-made non-cover and lower one with the non-fair use of the album cover. I've also removed both of the audio samples of the cover version.

We still have the question of what/how much to say about the album track from a self-released live recording that received very little attention. The current text buries the fact that the notable version of this song (to most people it's the only version) is a recording by Supertramp. Imagine if our article on "Let It Be" started with who wrote it, when they wrote it and why they wrote it, rather than saying it's a Beatles song (which is what we should say).

Prior to the fan edits, we said, ""Give a Little Bit" is the opening song on Supertramp's 1977 album Even in the Quietest Moments.... The song was released as a single that same year and became an international hit for the band, peaking at number 15 on the Billboard Pop Singles chart."

Now we have ""Give a Little Bit" was first written by Roger Hodgson at 19- or 20- years old before introducing to the band for recording five to six years later. Hodgson has stated the song was inspired by The Beatles’ “All You Need Is Love,” released during the love and peace movement of the ’60s." Then we mention the band released his song and it charted. Before mentioning that the band re-released the single, we get an aside about him playing it at a concert and how happy it made him.

Next we have the reversal of the published writing credits to put Hodgson first.

For openers, does anyone have a reason to keep any of those changes? (There is more that was added. I think this part is simpler than some of the rest. - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:22, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your analysis of the problem is right on target. The Hodgson-fan-based text additions were detrimental to the reader who will want the most important information first. Your trimming job is a good start, but a lot more can be done. Binksternet (talk) 15:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed the line "The music video for Give a Little Bit was edited by Scott C. Wilson. It was also featured in an episode of Smallville, season 4." While IMDb indeed gives Wilson as the video's editor, that's hardly significant information about the song, particularly when there is no other information on the video. What do reliable secondary sources say about the music video? Was it lauded (for its editing)? Panned? Ignored? The latter seems most likely. See also WP:UNDUE. I assume "featured in Smallville" refers to the song itself, not the music video, but without a source, we can't tell; it doesn't seem to be significant. Huon (talk) 00:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The editor in question seems to be Wilson himself engaging in a bit of self-promotion.[1]

I agree with your analysis that it seems to be trivial in context, especially given the lack of coverage. - SummerPhD^v2.0 05:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]