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It seems clear to me that high frequency and shortwave are two articles on the same subject. To quote:
The resulting duplication is highly undesirable, so I propose that the articles be merged. I further propose that the merged article be called high frequency, because this is consistent with the majority of other radio spectrum articles: ELF, SLF, ULF, VLF, LF (not the same as longwave, but that's another issue), VHF, UHF, and EHF. Shortwave would, of course, redirect to high frequency. I would also change the lead to say:
Comments welcome. — Johan the Ghost seance 10:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that although the High Frequency is seemingly similar to Shortwave Radio, theres much history involved with shortwave radio that has little to do with sunspots and the other stuff in the high frequency article. Basically, what im saying is that SWR is the history of using HF as a communications medium. Also, the SWR article lacks quite a bit of information on this subject, although I wouldn't consider myself expert enough to write a full history on it. I do feel that the article title 'shortwave' should be changed to 'shortwave radio' instead Psycadelc 01:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I could go either way, but I definitely can see an argument for keeping the shortwave article.. especially since you can distinguish a boundary between the history of sw radio and the science behind high frequency waves. I just feel that frequency bands have multiple uses and the uses don't necessarily belong in the same article as the technologies associated with them. Psycadelc 03:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I feel exactly as Psycadelc. It's absurd to merge these. 134.193.168.236 20:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"you can't tune in to the short-wave broadcasters without knowing abut sunspots" - What do you mean by that? Someone who is ignorant about sunspots can surely tune the dial of an HF receiver and hear all kinds of far away stuff. If you are implying that sunspots themselves are a requirement, then that is also very incorrect. They do help, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.248.55.132 (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be opposed to this - shortwave refers to a particular method of communication across those frequencies, while HF refers to the frequencies themselves. They are distinct and separate topics, and I do not feel that a 'history of shortwave' would cover it appropriately. -- Kuroji 05:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A merge would be wrong. Read : Tomislav Stimac, "Definition of frequency bands (VLF, ELF... etc.)". IK1QFK Home Page (vlf.it). 134.193.168.237 19:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Although I can't really support the merger, I think we need to fix both articles. Maybe we can try and sort out the technology with shortwave radio and frequency ranges, fix what each article talks about it, and then mark shortwave (radio) as a stub so people can write more about the history of shortwave, radio communication, and why it was so awesome. If we wanted to merge anything, possibly we could merge all the frequency bands into one article similar to Stimac's previously posted one (maybe we could get permission to reproduce it on wiki?) and have a comprehensive article on the science of the different wavelengths? Psycadelc 18:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The idea of having one frequency page (or many individual frequency) and keeping them distinct from the [insert fav length]wave would be more in line with with the International Telecommunication Union. The Electromagnetic spectrum and Radio frequency pages already do act as one source of a "main" page. These are children of those pages. "Try and sort out" is probably the best idea, JIMO. 204.56.7.1 16:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't support the merger. Within 3 to 30, SHORTWAVE BROADCASTING is what 90 percent of the population understands it to be, but HF is the home to dozens of different services with very different purposes. Eventually those different services could be enumerated and described in one place; putting them together with shortwave does not do justice to BROADCAST -- for which NO adequate history exists -- nor would that move leave room to lay out the many continuing services which still use HF on a daily basis worldwide.
It'd be even dumber to combine Ham Radio ... the majority of the head count on HF ... with Shortwave using the same kind of reductionist model.
Wikipedia has no size limit, and suggested article lengths also suggest that big scope and room to grow encourage MORE articles ... not less. Personally I like the hypercard model better; shorter pages with more navigational aids. This is one of the great advantages of hypertext linkage. Long, long articles really ought to be going the dinosaur way ... I notice a LOT of white space on newer web pages lately. Another hypertext idea that isn't used (at all??) on WP is the idea of levels: some models have UP and DOWN navigation. Twang 02:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"High frequency" is also used as a superordinate concept of "radio frequency" and "microwave". This is missing in the article. Have a look at "further readings" and "external links"! Several times, when high frequency is mentioned, not the 3-30MHz range is meant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax0p (talk • contribs) 12:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think there should be a click on to the concept of FOT (frequency Optimum de Travail) between the MUF and LUF click ons, i.e. the optimal frequency for a communications path at HF. AI8O If I knew how to do it I would do it myself,but I am a newbie at this and afraid I'd screw it up. AI8O
I agree with at least mentioning MUF and LUF. I also don't like the part that mentions sometimes power as low as "tens of watts" can be used. QRP ops prove all the time that using sub-five watts and even milliwatts can be quite successful. I'd mention my own positive experiences with operating with just a few watts but that would be original research, hi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.248.55.132 (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We mention that CB radio at 27MHz is considered part of this band. Those same frequencies (27MHz up to at least 56MHz) are used for radio controlled models and toys - at least in some parts of Europe and N.America. Surprised to see no mention of it here. SteveBaker (talk) 03:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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