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I came to make the point about the US-centric standpoint. I see it's already being discussed, but it jumped out immediately to me when reading. I don't know enough to correct it, but discussion of non-US film is comparatively sparse and always under the rubric of 'foreign film.'
I too wish to make it known that the aricle is too US centred. It is commonly acknowledged that the first full length feature film was made in Australia about the bushranger Ned Kelly. Just because the film is not from Hollywood, doesn't make it a foreign film.
Most of this article is pretty good and in depth, but the writer(s) seems to get lazy near the end with odd sentence structures and "short hand". Sentences such as "The history of film and video distributed online began in the year 1994 with the first public showing of Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction. Influence of Comics. Smoke, 1995. In the 1990s, cinema began the process of making another transition, from physical film stock to digital cinema technology. Pixar, The Matrix. Meanwhile, in the home video realm, the DVD would become the new standard for watching movies after their standard theatrical releases. Just look forward to the future." aren't very encyclopedic and need cleaning up. They seem very stream of conscious or something like you would read in an email. Statements need to be explained better and more in depth so the reader can understand why something is that way.
Yes, what the hell is up with 3.8-3.10?? 205.211.141.243 05:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest with you, @Цйфыву, a major part of this is unfortunately due to lack of a large flow of edits on this page. A small group of editors, including myself, have been trying our best to go down the page from the top and heavily rework this page to better fit the quality standards of Wikipedia (hence the overwhelming history at the top of the page). If you have the time or research capabilities, feel free to add this important information on Soviet films to the article to help us to better improve the page. I’ll be more than happy to add these important details in the future if I ever make it far enough down into the page (been stuck trying to truly perfect the birth of cinema for nearly a year now, and I think I’m finally getting into the 1910’s). Thank you for helping out! Windyshadow32 (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think this article has a US-English POV bias. The Louis Lumieres brothers are presented (in the middle of the text) merely as some of the creators who helped on technical stuff. But they actually both introduced a major breakthrough in the technical way of making a modern movie, and secondly they are the first ones who actually understood what the cinema was for, that is something meant to have a very large audience - contrary to the other "precursors" who saw it as a toy for very rich people. The Louis Lumieres borthers are, regarding these two aspects, the real inventors of cinema and I think there should be more emphasis on this.
Also, see Louis Le Prince. The birth of cinem part is doubly inaccurate and needs heavy editing.
This article should be better called "History of Cinema in the United States" Is'nt it a shame to be so narrow minded and so arrogant?
We must add bits on daguerrotypes and the introduction of film itself, allowing for multiple copies of a work--surely a crucial development in film history.
I'm not sure what to make of part of the article on France--Truffaut's last film was completed in 1983, and Godard finished one last year (2000). Do you mean that these were influential personalities during that era? Why in that era specifically? What did they do? Would they be as influential now, with later generations continuing to discover their work at revival houses and on video? Also, could I add Louis Malle? (Au Revoir Les Enfants, Damage, My Dinner With Andre)
Plenty of subpages here that could be given new page names. -- Tarquin 10:30 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)
There seems to have been a vast momement from articles using the word film to using cinema without much discussion. Mintguy (T) 01:36, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Surely more important than storage or display technology is the improvements in digital film camera technology??
Regarding who was the first practical inventor of film for audience, no mention is made of Edwar Amet of Waukegan, Illinois and his "Magniscope" which he invented in 1894, a year before the Lumiere Bros. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.255.98 (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Folks, I've created an outline here and am putting in points to briefly cover. I can see this as a very Wiki-dense article. Most of my citations are regarding American cinema, so if anyone wants to include Goddard, Malle, &c. before I get to it please go ahead. -- Zosodada 01:28, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Zosodada, can we drag the discussion back to my original point: Do you agree that the page as it stands is unintenionally POV? Would you support any of the suggestions I've made: we change the title, or move material elsewhere, or indicate somehow that the page is currently POV? Or have you an alternative plan which will help this page conform to Wikipedia policy? Jihg 09:40, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
After skimming through your discussion, I've decided to add the "Globalize/USA|section" tag to the article. I agree that it is too early to claim POV/bias though, and I would not support a title change. Lewis512 (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why is New Hollywood not mentioned at all in this article? I think this is a important aspect of (American) cinema, shifting the balance of power and all (producers lost their powers while directors became more important). I was wondering if there was any reason it was not included in this article?
I've removed this director list as I'm not really sure how it fits in. But if someone wants to expand on it and go into the autuer theory or whatever then please do. JW 00:52, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
An anon user wrote this:
I didn't correct the merge template and just removed it because an article on the history of a topic is quite common. Music and History of music for example. The article on film and an article on the history of cinema are quite different. MechBrowman 20:53, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Putting up a merge flag seemed to me the best way to draw this matter into the open, altho a subsequent examination of the list of items to be "merged" at the "Village Pump" suggests it could be years before anyone might actually get around to acting on it, at which point all the more damage would be done in terms of two series of parallel articles. At least, we've brought the problem to the surface where, hopefully, it can be fixed so that we have ONE set of articles, logically treed and available to all users and contributors.
Is "Film" really the WP default term? Movies, film, cinema are all used in various places. Articles on national cinemas are all titled "Cinema of..." JW
Making the articles consitent is definitely something that should be done, or at least make it clear in the into paragraphs that film, cinema, ect. mean the same thing in this context. I'm still confused about this merge. Do you feel that the articles should be merged? Or do you just feel that this article should be moved to History of Film? MechBrowman 16:53, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know why it seems like the the names of actors on the covers of movies (movie artwork) are so consistently transposed? [1] what's with that?!--Deglr6328 20:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
After much eyeing of this article, I have (drum roll, please) partially corrected the citation format in the print References section. It was the only quickly and easily improved thing I could see in the whole article. Like almost everyone, I think, I'm paralyzed by the size of the project and the fear of stepping on some of the many toes involved. Be that as it may, two broad questions that could help start us on the road to significantly improving this huge thing:
1) What to do with those early sections and their long list of bulleted milestones and semi-milestones? There's a lot of interesting and not irrelevant information there that part of me hates to lose. But I feel like it is, first of all, too much to digest for most of the people who will come here; paring down to more key milestones and giving them a little more context is in order. (This goes doubly if we are indeed going to add a lot more information about non-U.S. film - this article will quickly become too large and unwieldy.) Second of all, these need to be reorganized and rewritten into narrative format, rather than list format. That many bullet points gets to be an eyesore and looks amateurish.
2) I feel like this article ought to be able to stand on its own for the relatively casual reader who comes here, in the sense that they shouldn't have to follow up Wikilinks to understand what we're talking about (even though they can if they want to learn more on a particular topic). Any even somewhat specialized term - technical, critical, or other varieties - ought to receive at least a few words of definition or context. "Production code" and "studio system" stand out as examples as I scan through the text.
I hope people are reading and will give their votes on one or both of the above suggestions. Be forewarned, I'm liable to just go ahead and start doing them if nobody objects. :) Michael Wells 04:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A quick followup: Speaking of the bulleted lists, looking at the Precursors of Film section. Does anyone think maybe most of that ought to be moved and expanded into its own article? Again, interesting stuff, but too much by half. A few quick lines at most on that subject, with a couple examples, ought to be enough to start out this article. It's "History of Film," after all, not "History of Things That Are Sort of Like Film." Michael Wells 04:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Um, why is the first entry (Acker) doing that? Did I just do that? I can't see anything in edit mode that would cause that to happen. Anyone? Michael Wells 03:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now I did it. The article is so long now that Wikipedia complains when I choose "edit" for the whole page that it exceeds recommended length, and moreover won't let me make any changes... at least I think that's the problem, because it will let me edit individual subsections. The problem then is that you can't add a general intro at the top of the page, which is much needed to conform to Wikipedia standards, and just as a matter of good writing.
Itis awfully long... I haven't actually cut down the length of the opening section at all, only added text to it, although I like to think it's more coherent and readable. Too much minute discussion of individual inventions? Should the "Technological ancestors" section be cut way down, letting the Precursors of film link do most of that work? We're only going to be adding even more stuff to later sections, presumably. If the article's already so long that Wikipedia freaks out... oy. How do we succinctify (not a real word) this stuff? Michael Wells 23:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The way I can think of to succintify this stuff is through Encarta and other Encyclopaedias. This article is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long AND detailed. I have taken some info from the History of cinema article in an old Encarta and incorporating them into this one. Maybe if I post some things in, someone can try to change them.114.72.178.254 (talk) 09:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why but someone has tagged the article for "inappropriate tone", which doesn't seem really accurate to me. I'm seriously tempted to remove it... JW 10:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it seems odd that the tag urges us to discuss this on the Talk page, but the person who put it there gives no explanation for their view. I mean, everyone's entitled to contribute, of course, but it's not terribly helpful to stick it up there anonymously without starting an accompanying discussion. I'd be inclined to take it down after a few days if no more explanation is forthcoming (or if no one else steps in to agree with the tag and elaborate). Although presumably it's my prose that's being critiqued, so I'm hardly objective in the matter.
I am trying to make the style at least slightly pleasurable to read and not too dreadfully dry. Do I cross the line into editorializing at certain points? It would be useful to have some feedback on that.
Michael Wells 00:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've been cleaning up links to Epic dab page and have been simply removing any link that is intended to explain "epic film" as there does not appear to be any addition information to be gained (currently) by clicking through the Epic page. If anyone believes there is more that can be said about the term than "a film with a vast scale" and is interested in creating such an article, do so and let me know.
The film industry article's history of film section is a duplicate (with more detail in some areas) of this page, and needs to be merged here. At the very most, the history on that page should be covering the highlights which impacted the development of the business side of film only. Anyone who wants to lend a hand in this merge, please feel free. -Harmil 16:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The film industry page contains a large section on Hollywood which is copied from the Hollywood page and should probably be removed. JW 22:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know much about film but I was researching the history of television and film and I could not find out when the first color film/movies started.. Perhaps this should/could be included in the article? I see sound is in there. Volksgeist 11:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've just reverted a series of edits by User:Donteatyellowsnow. I'm normally loathe to bulk-revert edits unless they are obvious vandalism, and there may be a few elements in there that are salvageable. However, for the most part, these changes seemed to add a very distinct POV to the article, skewing it in a pro-Hollywood and anti-other jurisdiction manner. I noted these changes after the same editor made similar POV changes to a related article, and wrote a very POV article at Runaway film. Someone might wish to check out the edits at Quentin Tarantino as well. (By the way, I've also rewritten Runaway film to try to remove the POV, using the same sources already used in the initial edit. Please let me know if you can think of ways to improve and build upon it. Thanks.) --Ckatzchatspy 07:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article should be called History of Hollywood
Why is the Roundhay Garden Scene regarded as the first film when the Lumiere Brothers's stuff was being shown three years previously? Ed zeppelin 20:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Paul had the idea of displaying moving pictures for group audiences, rather than just to individual viewers, and invented a film projector, giving his first public showing in 1895."
I would love to see a cite for this. Most books put his first public showing in february 1896.
--Tethur 10:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am about to considerably expand the section up to 1920 to give coverage of the history of film in other countries besides the USA, and to take account of important new factual knowledge about the period that has appeared in the last 30 years, but which is missing from the entry. Barrysalt 23:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa! This article is incredibly difficult for a newcomer to the subject to understand, and must be one of the worst long Wikipedia articles that hasn't been hijacked by a field's fringe group. Each individual section needs to be shortened to a brief paragraph with relevant information being split off into a different article. The article also needs to be linked with related relevant articles so that newcomers like I can get a better context of the subject matter. (For example, D.W. Griffith is mentioned constantly, but his name is never wiki-linked. Who the hell is he? He must be important, but I have no idea why.) Technical terms need to be defined at the beginning of the paragraph about their creation, whereas now they're only defined at the end or not at all. I understand how hard it is for any one person to make sweeping changes to such an article that covers so much material. But this article must be one of the most unreadable in the entire encyclopedia, which is a shame when one thinks of the importance of the topic. Please, film pople, do better... Soon.--Cassmus 08:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree for the most part, and it's a bit too far from conventional film history as well. The article would need a lot of work.--Termer (talk) 03:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The beginning of the article goes into great detail about the technical advances of cinema, and the developement of film language. Comme the 1930s, and most of it is gone. Is it possible to add more of that inside ? There is some, but not nearly as wonderfully detailed as in early cinema. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabeth Kvaalen (talk • contribs) 18:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
it's quick disturbing to see how hard is it for American to give name of inventor when he's not american. hey, go to Aviation history check how Wright bothers are highlighted as being inventor all along the article. ok now check this "history" of film, who is the inventor ? quite hard to find, no ? (tips : no, it's not Edison) Please be polite, give same honor to foreign inventors than US ones. 82.228.207.5 (talk) 21:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It seems you're mixing up who invented what, "moving pictures" were invented by Edison (actually not by himself but by his assistant William Kennedy Dickson), one of the first one is called Sneeze stored in the Library of Congress in the US on January 9, 1894. Cinema, moving pictures projected on a wall was invented by Lumiere brothers, the first one La Sortie des Usines (Workers Leaving A Factory) was made in 1985.--Termer (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Information from Encarta coupled with information on Wikipedia about the development of film. Feel free to use this. Here goes...
THE BEGINNING OF CINEMA
• As a result of the work of Etienne-Jules Marey and Eadweard Muybridge, many researchers in the late 19th century realized that films as they are known today were a practical possibility, but the first to design a practical moving picture camera was William K. L. Dickson, working under the direction of Thomas Alva Edison [chief engineer at Edison Labarotries]. His fully developed camera, called the Kinetograph, was patented in 1891 and took a series of instant photographs on standard Eastman Kodak photographic emulsion coated on to a transparent celluloid strip 35 mm wide. (Encarta)
• Celluloid blocks were thinly sliced, then removed with heated pressure plates. After this, they were coated with a photosensitive gelatin emulsion.[citation needed]
• The results of this work were first shown in public in 1893 at the Chicago World's Fair, using the viewing apparatus also designed by Dickson, and called the Kinetoscope. (Encarta) The Kinetoscope was a cabinet in which a continuous loop of Dickson's celluloid film (powered by an electric motor) was back lit by an incandescent lamp and seen through a magnifying lens.
• This was contained within a large box, and only permitted the images to be viewed by one person at a time looking into it through an eye piece, after starting the machine by inserting a coin. (Encarta) Kinetoscope parlours were supplied with fifty-foot film snippets photographed by Dickson, in Edison's "Black Maria" studio (pronounced like "ma-RYE-ah"). These sequences recorded mundane events (such as Fred Ott's Sneeze, 1894) as well as entertainment acts like acrobats, music hall performers and boxing demonstrations.
• Kinetoscope parlours srapng up in New York in the late 1890s and soon spread successfully to Europe. Edison, however, never attempted to patent these instruments on the other side of the Atlantic, since they relied so greatly on previous experiments and innovations from Britain and Europe. This enabled the development of imitations, such as the camera devised by British electrician and scientific instrument maker Robert W. Paul and his partner Birt Acres. (?)
• Paul had the idea of displaying moving pictures for group audiences, rather than just to individual viewers, and invented a film projector, giving his first public showing in 1895.
• >>>The Kinetoscope was not a commercial success in this form, and left the way free for the Lumière brothers, Louis and Auguste, to refine/improve/perfect their apparatus, the Cinématographe. This was the first successful projector, as well as being the apparatus that took and printed the film beforehand. With their Cinématographe they gave the first show of projected pictures to an audience in Paris in December 1895. (Encarta)
• >>>At about the same time, in France, Auguste and Louis Lumière invented the cinematograph, a portable, three-in-one device: camera, printer, and projector. In late 1895 in Paris, father Antoine Lumière began exhibitions of projected films before the paying public, beginning the general conversion of the medium to projection (Cook, 1990).
• They quickly became Europe's main producers with their actualités like Workers Leaving the Lumière Factory and comic vignettes like The Sprinkler Sprinkled (both 1895). Even Edison, initially dismissive of projection, joined the trend with the Vitascope within less than six months. The first public motion-picture film presentation in Europe, though, belongs to Max and Emil Skladanowsky of Berlin, who projected with their apparatus "Bioscop", a flickerfree duplex construction, November 1 through 31, 1895.
• That same year in May, in the USA, Eugene Augustin Lauste devised his Eidoloscope for the Latham family. But the first public screening of film ever is due to Jean Aimé "Acme" Le Roy, a French photographer. On February 5, 1894, his 40th birthday, he presented his "Marvellous Cinematograph" to a group of around twenty show business men in New York City. After this date, the Edison company developed its own form of projector, as did various other inventors. Some of these used different film widths and projection speeds, but after a few years the 35-mm wide Edison film, and the 16-frames-per-second projection speed of the Lumière Cinématographe became standard. The other important American competitor was the American Mutoscope & Biograph Company, which used a new camera designed by Dickson after he left the Edison company. [1]
This should cut the "development of film" section down quite a bit. Please discuss. Thank you.114.72.178.254 (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also Early Cinema
The first commercial exhibition of film took place on April 14, 1894 at the first Kinetoscope parlor ever built. However, it was clear that Edison originally intended to create a sound film system, which would not gain worldwide recognition until the release of The Jazz Singer in 1927. In 1896 it became clear that more money was to be made by showing motion picture films with a projector to a large audience than exhibiting them in Edison's Kinetoscope peep-show machines. The Edison company took up a projector developed by Armat and Jenkins, the “Phantoscope”, which was renamed the Vitascope, and it joined various projecting machines made by other people to show the 480 mm. width films being made by the Edison company and others in France and the UK.
However, the most successful motion picture company in the United States, with the largest production until 1900, was the American Mutoscope company. This was initially set up to exploit peep-show type movies using designs made by W.K.L. Dickson after he left the Edison company in 1895. His equipment used 70 mm. wide film, and each frame was printed separately onto paper sheets for insertion into their viewing machine, called the Mutoscope. The image sheets stood out from the periphery of a rotating drum, and flipped into view in succession. Besides the Mutoscope, they also made a projector called the Biograph, which could project a continuous positive film print made from the same negatives.
EARLY CINEMA The movies of the time were seen mostly via temporary storefront spaces and traveling exhibitors or as acts in vaudeville programs. A film could be under a minute long and would usually present a single scene, authentic or staged, of everyday life, a public event, a sporting event or slapstick. There was little to no cinematic technique: no editing and usually no camera movement, and flat, stagey compositions. But the novelty of realistically moving photographs was enough for a motion picture industry to mushroom before the end of the century, in countries around the world. (Wikipedia) • The earliest films showed just one scene, which ran for about a minute, which was all that the standard lengths of film (65 or 80 ft/around 20 or 25 m) produced by Eastman Kodak or other manufacturers allowed. From the beginning, some of these films showed specially staged and acted scenes, such as the Edison Barbershop Scene and the L’Arroseur Arrosé (A Trick on the Gardener) by the Lumières. However, the majority of early films were simple records of real-life scenes or stage acts. Some of these showed different views of related places and actions, and, although sold separately, they were probably joined together in succession by the showmen who bought them and projected them. It seems that the step forward from this, to joining a number of staged scenes together to tell a longer story, was taken in 1898 by the Robert Paul company in Britain with Come Along Do!. In this the action moves from a scene outside an art gallery to a scene inside by means of a cut. (Encarta) • Real film continuity, which means showing action moving from one shot into another joined to it, can be dated to Robert W. Paul's Come Along, Do!, made in 1898. In the first shot of this film, an old couple outside an art exhibition follow other people inside through the door. The second shot showed what they do inside.(wikipedia) • However, most of the early multi-shot films were made by Georges Méliès. In his films, well-known stories such as Cinderella (1899) were told in a series of disconnected scenes joined by dissolves (see Special Effects), as was done at the time with slides in a magic-lantern show. Méliès’s long story films with their trick effects were the most commercially successful of all in the first few years of cinema, and they led other film-makers towards producing longer films. However, Méliès’s films made no real contribution to the development of film construction as we know it. (encarta) • By 1898 Georges Méliès was the largest producer of fiction films in France, and from this point onwards his output was almost entirely films featuring trick effects, which were very successful in all markets. The special popularity of his longer films, which were several minutes long from 1899 onwards (while most other films were still only a minute long), led other makers to start producing longer films. • The important figures in doing this were G. A. Smith and James Williamson, working independently in Brighton, East Sussex. Smith invented the basic technique of breaking a filmed scene down into a number of shots taken from different camera positions in his films Grandma’s Reading Glass (1900), As Seen Through a Telescope (1901), and The Little Doctors (1901). The first two of these introduced the view of things looked at through a magnifying glass and a telescope by one of the actors, by taking close shots inside a black circular mask. The Little Doctors used a close shot of a kitten being fed medicine that was cut into the middle of the shot showing the whole scene, and constitutes the first such use of a “close-up” cut into a scene. By 1903 Smith was making a conscious effort to get some sort of continuity matching in the actor’s position across the cut. Smith then gave up ordinary film-making in 1903 to produce a system of colour cinematography called Kinemacolor that was quite successful up to World War I.(encarta) • In 1900, continuity of action across successive shots was definitively established by George Albert Smith and James Williamson, who also worked in Brighton. In that year Smith made Seen Through the Telescope, in which the main shot shows street scene with a young man tying the shoelace and then caressing the foot of his girlfriend, while an old man observes this through a telescope. There is then a cut to close shot of the hands on the girl's foot shown inside a black circular mask, and then a cut back to the continuation of the original scene. • G.A. Smith further developed the ideas of breaking a scene shot in one place into a series of shots taken from different camera positions over the next couple of years, starting with The Little Doctors of 1901. In this film a little girl is administering pretend medicine to a kitten, and Smith cuts in to a big Close Up of the kitten as she does so, and then cuts back to the main shot. In this case the inserted close up is not shown as a Point of View shot in a circular mask. He summed up his work in Mary Jane's Mishap of 1903, with repeated cuts in to a close shot of a housemaid fooling around, along with superimpositions and other devices, before abandoning film-making to invent the Kinemacolor system of colour cinematography. (wikipedia) • James Williamson developed the movement of action through a series of shots taken in various locations in his films Attack on a Chinese Mission Station, Stop Thief!, and Fire!, all made in 1901. In these films the leading character was shown running out of one shot, then there would be a cut to another scene set somewhere else, and the character would then run into frame to continue the story. Méliès also used a similar technique on one occasion in the same year, but in this case the shots were joined with a dissolve rather than a cut.(Encarta) • Even more remarkable is James Williamson's Attack on a China Mission Station, made in 1900. The first shot shows the gate to the mission station from the outside being attacked and broken open by Chinese Boxer rebels, then there is a cut to the garden of the mission station where the missionary and his family are seated. The Boxers rush in and after exchanging fire with the missionary, kill him, and pursue his family into the house. His wife appears on the balcony waving for help, which immediately comes with an armed party of British sailors appearing through the gate to the mission station, this time seen from the inside. They fire at the Boxers, and advance out of the frame into the next shot, which is taken from the opposite direction looking towards the house. This constitutes the first “reverse angle” cut in film history. The scene continues with the sailors rescuing the remaining members of the missionary's family. • James Williamson concentrated on making films taking action from one place shown in one shot to the next shown in another shot in films like Stop Thief! and Fire!, made in 1901, and many others. (wikipedia)
Other film-makers in Britain took up these techniques in 1903, and developed longer films by having characters pursued through more and more different scenes. These were referred to as chase films. Afterwards, other less inventive film-makers in France and the United States such as Edwin S. Porter copied these techniques in various films, such as The Great Train Robbery. (Encarta) Other film-makers then took up all these ideas, which form the basis of film construction, or “film language”, or “film grammar”, as we know it. The best known of these film-makers was Edwin S. Porter, who started making films for the Edison Company in 1901. When he began making longer films in 1902, he put a dissolve between every shot, just as Georges Méliès was already doing, and he frequently had the same action repeated across the dissolves. In other words, Edwin Porter did not develop the basics of film construction. The Pathé company in France also made imitations and variations of Smith and Williamson's films from 1902 onwards using cuts between the shots, which helped to standardize the basics of film construction. In 1903 there was a substantial increase in the number of film several minutes long, as a result of the great popularity of Georges Méliès’ le Voyage dans la lune (A Trip to the Moon), which came out in early 1902, though such films were still a very minor part of production. Most of them were what came to be called “chase films”. These were inspired by James Williamson's Stop Thief! of 1901, which showed a tramp stealing a leg of mutton from a butcher's boy in the first shot, then being chased through the second shot by the butcher's boy and assorted dogs, and finally being caught by the dogs in the third shot. (wikipedia) In France, Charles Pathé built a large company by ploughing back his profits to raise the production values of his films, and the film-makers he employed, led by Ferdinand Zecca, added extra polish to the continuity devices developed by the British. By building more studios and setting up multiple production teams, Pathé produced more films than any other firm in the world. A form of comedy unique to film began to develop, particularly at Pathé, by combining theatrical slapstick with the chase film. Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Please discuss.122.110.35.195 (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
References
I was going to write a few choice comments here but I see Cassmus already said it perfectly on 10 Nov 2007:
Well, here it is three whole years later, and the article is still un-freakin-readable. Typical Wikipedia insanity: no adult in the room. The first section, "Precursors," names three different "first projected movie" events in three different countries in three different years. Things like "reverse angle shot" are redundantly explained and exemplified two or three times in the course of the article, which is a waste of the reader's time.
It's supposed to be an encyclopedia article, guys, not a f***ing textbook, ya know? Something a casual non-expert reader can easily read through and glean the essential points from, and move on to sub-articles if he wants more details.
As is, it's just crap, guys. Totally not-helpful. I don't have the time or the expertise in this subject to tackle what is now an enormous job of editing, just hoping to bring this to people's attention one more time. Though why I should bother, when obviously nobody else gives a damn, is beyond me . . . . Textorus (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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sudheerbabu naguboina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.176.45.10 (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
this could use an update, now that we've seen video websites like youtube and vimeo offer comparably excellent content and serve as a bridge for filmmakers into professional ranks. P.S. i think you might want to look into the animation portions of film better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.181.96 (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For over 8 years, there have been complaints on the article's length, and its focus on detail. I think the article lends itself to a very easy split. 1) history of film technology, which includes the first cameras, projectors, cinemas, companies, sound and colour, and 2) history of film, which deals with the media and its artistic and aesthetic development.Noodleki (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
'Griffith followed this up with the even bigger Intolerance (1916), but due to the high quality, film produced in USA the market for their films was high.'
Could someone please do something about the fact that this history is way too much centered around commercial films (predominantly produced in Hollywood). You cannot write a serious article (or summary) on the history of film, when crucial figures like Jean Renoir, Fritz Lang, F.W. Murnau, Eisenstein, Tarkovsky, etc. aren't even mentioned. This article is seriously flawed. C.Gesualdo (talk) 03:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This article contains an illustration from The Three Musketeers with the following caption: "Ernst Lubitsch known as the master of kostumfilme". This is obviously the wrong picture. If someone knows what picture is supposed to be there, can you please fix it? Otherwise, the current picture and caption should be removed. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You should clarify what the role of Thomas Edison was in the development of motion pictures. He may not have invented the movies, as many Americans believe, but what exactly was his (pre-Lumiere) contribution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B035:FE28:D13C:C66C:40E8:7823 (talk) 00:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is an extremely vital article that I see as not up to standards with sourcing and proper punctuation. Please help me improve this page over at my sandbox. Windyshadow32 (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go ahead and add some of the changes I've made onto this page! Windyshadow32 (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thomas did not invent film.Louis le prince invented it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuka12345 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can say that film was born in 1888 or 1889 with the industrial sale of celluloid by the Eastman company. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.224.153.105 (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1894 is the year of the beginning of industrial film with the opening of the first Kinetoscope Parlor and these ten different films. 1894 therefore marks a before and after in the history of film. I think we can put Sandow (1894) and Conan the Barbarian (1982) on the same level... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.224.153.105 (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
According to the article of kinetoscope (under Going public), The Barbershop (1894) is the first film of the history. What do you think ?
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Attn: @Joortje1 and others who might be invested in editing this page. I was wondering what the consensus on changing the current section headings (1890s, 1900s, 1910s...) would be? I feel the current divisions by decades are detrimental to providing an easy-to-read overview of the subject. I propose, for example, the sections representing the 1890s-roughly 1906 (when the narrative potential of cinema came into a more concrete realization) could be titled something like "Novelty Era" so that a rough approximation of film up to and including about 1906 can more smoothly flow together. The remaining sections can be changed over the course of editing the page but may benefit from a focus on film movements rather than concrete dates. Thank you for your input! Windyshadow32 (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's a separate page for History of film technology, so the History of film should address the artistic aspects and the cultural influence of cinema. The tech and art histories are often intertwined, but it would be nice to avoid overlap between the corresponding pages. For instance, the fact that Edison ordered Dickson to improve on previous motion picture machines is about technology, while here it might be more interesting to know that Edison originally intended to record and reproduce operas, or that there was much interest in the possibility to preserve the moving appearance of relatives or celebrities for posterity. Joortje1 (talk) 05:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 September 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Queenones87 (article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Queenones87 (talk) 18:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a graduate student in Sheffield. I'm taking a course called Wikipedia and Medieval History. I will try to further modify this seemingly perfect Wikipedia from three directions.
Firstly, I will add citations from reliable sources in the "1910s" "Film technique" "During World War I and industry" "1930 s" section to help improve the accuracy of the text..
Then, I will remove links or add reliable pages to make the red words such as "Amber tinting", "blue tints" and『Gregorio Fern á ndez』blue or black.
Finally, I will add or reduce further reading resources in the outer chain. Oxygenyang (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 5 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Cjclemo.
— Assignment last updated by Jessicacariello (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Were the 1960s the first decade of modern cinema ? (The majority of films released in cinemas are in color for example. Which was not the case in the 1950s) 62.202.189.220 (talk) 00:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is about an even mix of "theatre" and "theater" use throughout the article. Any thoughts on using one version over the other? ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are you guys trying to get us busted by the time cops!? The “Sound Era” (or the talkies, if you’re not trying to sound like a Victorian scholar, but I digress) starts in 1923. It is therefore highly inappropriate to see this “The Era… of Sound!” section popping up in the 1930s of all places. Especially since now, as it stands, the only section in the 1920s is the one about how Germans were great at this early on. So it’s not only factually logical but aesthetically more pleasing for that section to be back in the 1920s where it belongs. Plus, sneaky bonus, no temporal agencies are gonna be busting our balls about “Shadow Proclamation” this and “Temporal Prime Directive” that. So can someone with edit access to the timeline please move this sequence of events back to the correct temporal coordinates before this situation gains too great a mavity for the Wikimedia legal team to deal with? Thanks babes! 95.145.43.97 (talk) 03:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Artistically, film and video game are close or even identical. Because these two arts use image and sound. Take as an example the television series The X-Files (1993) and the video game The X-Files Game (1998) or Final Fantasy (video game) (1987) and the film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001). In terms of image and sound, there is no difference between film and video game. They are therefore artistically identical. 195.53.245.125 (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the article mentions that the May Irwin kiss was the first recorded kiss, which is factually incorrect. While it's still a culturally significant picture given the reaction it got, the first kiss recorded was actually The Kiss by Eadweard Muybridge all the way back in 1882 TheZwierz (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]