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Shouldn't this be a seperate article. The storm seems to be another big one. Information about this could be very informative.--Ali Karbassi 02:26, September 13, 2005 (UTC)
We are waiting to see how much information we get. That being said, it appears unlikely that the name Ophelia will be retired unless it strengthens or stays on land for a long time, but there is no point to add (2005) to the title when it is the only Ophelia recorded (so far)... CrazyC8301:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see little reason for this to be an article; we don't have enough info to fill one yet. Ophelia will pass on and this article will be obsolete. I'll redirect it back to the season article when the storm has passed. --Golbez21:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I moved it here because information is starting to come in and the main page is filling up too fast - although since it is not at all certain that the name will be retired, based on precedent from previous first-time notable unretired storms, if the name is not retired, it should be renamed Hurricane Ophelia (2005) (permanent name) with Hurricane Ophelia redirecting until a disambiguation is necessary. CrazyC8321:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree there's enough data for a separate article (though I think it should be Hurricane Ophelia (2005), but that can be resolved later). See [1] for other Ophelia tropical cyclones. There should be a disambiguation. Jdorje22:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
None of them were in the Atlantic or Eastern Pacific, so they wouldn't be "Hurricane Ophelia", which means there shouldn't be a disambiguation (Hurricane Ophelia should ultimately redirect to Hurricane Ophelia (2005) until a second Ophelia in the Atlantic forms - unless the name is surprisingly retired). Those would disambiguate to Typhoon Ophelia once that link is done. CrazyC8322:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly object to a page move. While Ophelia is certainly not as important as Emily or Katrina, it has never been used before to name a hurricane and thus there is no point in moving it to Hurricane Ophelia (2005) because no hurricane other than this one is taking the spot of Hurricane Ophelia. Yes the name will likely be used again in 2011, but that is so far away in time we shouldn't worry about it now, and we don't even know if the Ophelia in 2011 would deserve its own article. --Revolución(talk)20:12, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Damage estimates coming in: estimate on insured damage in North Carolina is about $800 million, so total damage (usually almost equal to insured damage) will likely come in around $1.5 billion. CrazyC8301:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Within this article is a reference to an external source stating that a State of Emergency was declared by President Bush. President Bush does not declare States of Emergency within the individual states. The Governor declares the state of emergency while the President declares the disaster zone. Can someone confirm this for me before I change it? Thanks..Rob110178
From what I understand, you are correct. However, the link in the article is a press source that says Bush did indeed declare a state of emergency for the affected areas. Did North Carolina's governor declare a state of emergency?
The warnings are done a bit differently in Canada. The actual hurricane or tropical storm watch or warning will be issued for ALL forecast areas expected to be affected by the storm. For example - the current TS Watch includes all of Nova Scotia west of a line from Truro to Ecum Secum (Halifax County eastern boundary). However, to differentiate coastal and inland warnings, they should be separate as if it was an NHC warning - with the coastal areas mentioned directly on the list alongside the NHC coastal warnings and with the inland areas separately with the title (Inland) in parentheses - i.e. (Inland) hurricane warning - since it is not officially mentioned but should be differentiated. This becomes especially notable if a storm comes up the eastern seaboard and affects, say, southern Ontario - which is not a coastal area at all - as a tropical storm (or in a rare case, a hurricane). CrazyC8319:47, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Should we move this to Hurricane Ophelia (2005) (a redirect I created) with Hurricane Ophelia redirecting until a disambiguation might be needed (since there is nowhere else to logically redirect the Ophelia page with no disambiguation)? After all, I can't see the name being retired... CrazyC8302:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, if Ophelia does get retired it would be due to the monetary factor - although the NHC report said damage was only $50M (which is not worthy of retirement at all), but most insurers say $800M which would mean a total damage more like $1.5B, which would create an "iffy" case. Of those mentioned, Carmen and Celia were major hurricanes at landfall and quite obvious choices; the others were more locally destructive but still retired anyway. This is definitely one tough call to make...after all, there is still an outside chance. CrazyC8303:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I say keep it as is until another storm named Ophelia occurs, it won't be until at least 6 years from now, and even then, the average season usually doesn't make it to the "O" storm. --Holderca118:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of that 800 million figure is crop damage, and should not be included. Economic impact is never included when the total costs are tallied up, for a variety of reasons. The main one being that economic impact is too circumstantial. It depends more on the times than the storm. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive04:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I see it has been moved. IMO that was the right decision and it should stay that way for now, although if it is retired by some surprise, it should be moved back to Hurricane Ophelia... CrazyC8323:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[3] is a source about the unmanned flight into Hurricane Ophelia. I don't know whether most of the information should be put into this article or some other article like a page connected to Aerosonde. AySz88^-^04:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Erm...are you certain about that? The source seems to directly contradict what you assert... ("NOAA AND PARTNERS CONDUCT FIRST SUCCESSFUL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT HURRICANE OBSERVATION BY FLYING THROUGH OPHELIA") AySz88^-^06:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. That's amazing. Two huge breakthroughs in hurricane-research technology in 10 years...I wonder if someday the 2005 season will be remembered not for Hurricanes Katrina and Stan but for the maiden flight of the Aerosonde (whenever it was). (On a related note, when were dropsondes used for the very first time?) Yes, information about this should definitely go into an article, but I don't know what it should be called...maybe Aerosonde (tropical cyclones). Jdorje05:08, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
$1.6 billion in damages is far greater than Hurricane Alex and (more notably) Hurricane Emily. Ophelia has a surprisingly good shot at being retired; unless Emily is upgraded to Cat 5, I would put the odds at about even for either being retired. - Cuivienen05:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, but Bonnie (1998), Irene (1999), Bertha (1996) and Erin (1995) did only slightly less damage and were at similar strength - and none were retired. I'd keep it around 30%. Personally, I would not retire the name, but I wouldn't be shocked if it is retired. CrazyC8304:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... caused almost 5 times the damage of Ophelia ($320 million for Cindy vs. $70 million for Ophelia). Looks like Ophelia will definitely not be retired... Cindy has a better chance now, and it's highly unlikely to be retired. PenguinCDF20:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I'd move it up from Start-Class to at least B-Class (pending the TCR). This could be a potential FA for a mid-level storm after the TCR is released. I remember seeing some good impact pictures from the Outer Banks on television, but can't recall any on the Internet. CrazyC8320:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you remove the damage photo?, I followed the rules when uploading it even stated where the photo came from. Storm0518:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because, as the edit said, it is copyrighted by the AP, and the AP is very protective of their copyrights. I don't think it can count as fair use, either. --Golbez19:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In subsection New England and Canada it is written One storm-related fatality was reported in which contradicts earlier statements saying that there was only one fatality and it had occured in Florida.
The requested comments were taken care of and a rewording of the lead section brought the article into the GA status. Cheers, Lincher20:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 04:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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