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	I Not Stupid Too has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassessit.
Article milestones Date Process Result May 17, 2007 Peer review Reviewed March 4, 2009 Good article nominee Listed
Current status: Good article

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• This film is completely different form the first one. But the direction of these two episodes are the same, both want to bring out every child has their own excellence for their parents to be proud of. Parents should look more at their child's good ways, not just only scold about all the things they did. If they had tried their best, parents should be appreciate about it.

And the small actors acted very well in this film. They could express out how teenagers feel in this present society, facing the stress in schools, family, or maybe sometimes from money. This is a really good film! And Shawn is very handsome!=]

--Lamlamb 14:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)lam=][reply]

There is a defunct link to a reference: http://su.ntu.edu.sg/tribune/article.php?id=240, so I can't format it properly unless someone can provide the information. --Vsion 01:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out, Vsion. For some reason, BlueCoat WebFilter (which is installed on my school computers) blocks the Internet Archive as an "anonymizing utility". If you don't find any information on the Internet Archive, the reference should be removed, after which we will have to find another reference for the Cast section. As references on Singaporean topics are so hard to find, I guess we are forced to rely on IMDB's information again. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Defunct link, revived.

You can thank me later. Pandacomics 03:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proofread by Liquidfire1 (talk) – 03:07, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:I Not Stupid Too/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Agood article is—

1. Well-written:

   (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

   • "15-year-old Tom is technologically inclined and a talented blogger, while 8-year-old Jerry enjoys the performing arts and has the lead role in his school concert." - not cool to start a sentence with a number. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Fixed. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • "While tutoring his sons, Mr. Yeo tells them that people will pay $500 for an hour of his time." - do you mean tutoring? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • Yes, it does mean tutoring. I don't understand what you're objecting to here? --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • "After he is caught, his furious father canes him, but calms down when the boy explains that he wanted $500 to "buy" an hour of his father's time." - why is "buy" in quotations? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     "Buy" is in quotations because he is not actually "buying" an hour of his father's time; the concept is absurd. Common words being used in a manner contrary to their usual purpose are put in quotations. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • "In the ensuing struggle, Chengcai bumps into several gangsters, while Tom's mobile phone falls out of his pocket." - why is it a struggle? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Sentence cleaned up and clarified. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • "The gangsters whom Chengcai bump into beat him up." - messy. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Cleaned up a little. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   • "After the release of I Not Stupid, a sequel was suggested, but Neo had difficulty finding a suitable topic." - who's Neo? Jack Neo? A link would be useful. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Yes, Jack Neo. He is already linked once in the article. Linking guidelines state that only the first occurrence should be linked, except in lists or tables. In this article, he is already linked twice. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

   • Integrate the "Cast" section into prose. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

     Film guidelines explain that a cast list is appropriate if there is insufficient information to form a compelling prose cast section. This article, being a foreign language film, lacks such information. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2. Verifiable with no original research:

   (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

   • Ref no. 22 needs to be in English. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   No it doesn't. There's no requirement for references to be in English. If an equivalent English reference is available, it should be used, but if none exists then foreign language sources are acceptable. In this case, none exists. --70.71.29.231 (talk) 04:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   Sorry, that's not what I meant. It's title needs to be in English. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 14:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   I changed the reference title to the name of the website: "Welcome to the 28th Hong Kong Film Awards". This is not a direct translation of the reference title. The Chinese reference title came from the page header, which, translated into English, means "26th Hong Kong Film Awards winners". Restrictions on non-English sources would worsen our systemic bias. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 11:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   I mistyped. Why don't you have a direct translation? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and

   (c) it contains no original research.

3. Broad in its coverage:

   (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

   (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

   (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

   (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

A year ago this month, this article was promoted as a Good Article. Changes since the promotion are reflected in this diff, and I would like to conduct an annual review to ensure that the changes are appropriate. Here are my thoughts:

• Should the flag icons belong in the infobox? My impression was that based on the Manual of Style, they do not.
• "...was released in cinemas on 26 January 2006" was changed to "...was released in cinemas on 27 January 2006". Is this a valid change? The cited sentence in the article body endorses "26 January".
• "Filming took place at Saint Hilda's Primary School and at Presbyterian High School (for the caning scene in the school hall, which faithfully followed the corporal punishment procedure used in real life at that school)..." The statement in parentheses was added without a citation. If this is valid, a citation should be added, and if not, it should be removed.
• "A TV version of I Not Stupid Too, consisting of 13 half-hour episodes, was broadcast on Channel 8 every Saturday from 9.00pm to 9.30pm, starting 23 September 2006." → "A TV version of I Not Stupid Too, consisting of 44 65-min episodes, was broadcast on Channel 8 every Weekday from 8.00pm to 9.05pm, starting 18 June 2007 end final 17 August 2007." This is a pretty big change of information with no change to the citation itself. Are the episodes a half-hour long or not? The citation is not specific about these details.
• I would endorse the removal of the screenshots in the article body per WP:FILMNFI. They are decorative in nature and do not serve as visual aid for any critical commentary in the article.

Thoughts from others? Erik (talk) 16:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for conducting this annual review. The changes to the release date and the schedule of the TV version appear to be anonymous vandalism. I do not know whether the caning scene "faithfully followed the corporal punishment procedure...used in that school", but regardless of whether the statement is true, it seems irrelevant. I have undone these edits. You may wish to consult others on the flagicon issue, as I know very little about the MOnSter and have no personal preference. I do prefer to keep the screenshots, which show key scenes that illustrate issues examined in the movie (they were carefully chosen by Haemo and I), but if the anti-fair use brigade wants them to go, then just follow lor, what to do? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making the fixes. Do you have a citation for the "TV version" sentence, though? The cited website did not mention these details. In addition, WP:FILMNFI says, "Since a film article's 'Plot' section contains descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source (the film) and not information found in reliable sources regarding the film, the section is not considered critical commentary or discussion of film. Thus, non-free images need to belong in other sections in which they can be supported by critical commentary." We cannot choose screenshots to include based on our general impression. There have to be indisputable rationales, like with the screenshots at American Beauty (film) and Changeling (film). Erik (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source does not explicitly mention all the details, so I had to verify some details through other means. I did not miss a single episode of the TV version and am sure that I checked the TV schedules in the newspapers. Sigh. Working on an article about a Singaporean movie is so different from working on an article about an American blockbuster (both the FAs you cited). Sources are scarce and so is "critical commentary". I have given up trying to understand our overly confusing and restrictive image policies (when I started editing, screenshots were acceptable in Plot sections), so I always leave image matters to Haemo, but he has left Wikipedia. So what should we do? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 07:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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