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cultural event??? yeeesh... whoever put this together is the least of us, the worst of us, and this whole thing makes me feel less proud to be a guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:F1A1:5F60:3D20:BC25:BC16:B1CA (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The external PDF link 'Text on Tinidad [sic] and Tobago Creation of Men's Day' is a misrepresentation as it is clearly one man's diatribe against the very idea of International Men's Day. It should be labelled as such. Alpheus 23:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Amended to 'Critical view of International Men's Day' Bottlegreen roses 18:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This whole thing is getting pretty dated. There needs to be regular updates. One thing of that nature would be something about Movember, No Shave November which have turned the entire month of November into a men's health month. International Men's Day should run with that and incorporate it into IMD.Godofredo29 (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I just wonder what makes these national holidays "international"? 84.160.159.112 21:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Their title. It is intended to correspond to International Women's Day, and the creators of International Women's Day intended the day to be celebrated in all countries simultaneously.--Doom777 07:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a holiday, niether is International Womens Day, although some might like to call it as that. Women might like to take the day off, men have to work to pay taxes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trumpy (talk • contribs) 11:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
International Day indicates that more than one country is involved on an agreed day. In this case there are participants from 6 countries (at least) celebrating on the 19th Nov; Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica, Australia, India, Singapore, and United Kingdom. This entry is categorized as 'November observances' and as 'Recurring events established in 1999', which means that for an observance to qualify for this article it must be celebrated on the November date (established in 1999), must reoccur in at least some of the named countries, and participation must be recorded by a reliable source. 121.223.98.149 (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
IMD in Australia: Where is "equality" without an International Men's Day? Question at Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2002 Week 3 Hansard (6 March)and Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2003 Week 13 Hansard (25 November) Page 4625 Flower Power Women... Canberra Times news on 19-NOV-03 Blokes, it's Your Turn to Celebrate, Article Canberra Times 20 Nov 2003 PRESS RELEASE: International Men's Day - Do We Care?; Red Roses for Your Blokes: It'll Raise Their Self Esteem, Article Canberra Times, 6 Nov 2004; Manly respect blooms if you give those blokes a rose. Article- Canberra Times 19 Nov 2004; Blokes, it is your turn to celebrate. Article - Canberra Times 20 Nov 2003 Mens Health and Wellbeing Press Release re IMD 2005 copy Make a Date to Validate Men, Article in Christian Today 19 November 2008 123.211.7.104 (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a few more resources:
IMD in India: NGO to celebrate International Men's Day on Wed Indian Perspective on International Men's Day 2007 Press Release for the International Men's Day NGO to celebrate International Men's Day, Article- The Times of India (18 Nov 2008); International Men's Day on Nov 19 to highlight plight of men, Article OutlookIndia Nov 16 2008
IMD in Trinidad and Tobago: Citizens for a Better Trinidad and Tobego (CBTT) Media articles and excerpts; and CBTT co-hosts 2nd International Men’s Day; ‘Addicts need treatment, not jail’ Article- The Trinidad Guardian 29 Nov 2007 Working to save Young People, Article in Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday November 27 2007 Jerome Teelucksingh's Geocities IMD page
IMD in Jamaica: Luciano to speak at International Men's Day function, Article in the Jamaica Gleaner Nov 19 2001 123.211.7.104 (talk) 11:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This entry suffered from misinformation recently when numerous "International Men's Days" suggested in the entry turned out to not be IMD's at all, but referred to other cultural celebrations. Some of the suggestions seem to have been entirely fabricated with the aim of exaggerating the extent of world IMD celebrations, the idea being that men 'do not deserve any more recognition'. This would be akin to saying we don't need an International Women's Day because we already have a Mother's Day.
Things that don't qualify as an established IMD are- Father's Day(s); War Remembrance days; Independence days; Saint-day celebrations; celebrations of a particular male personality or hero, and the like. Any qualifying cultural event must be called International Men's Day.
There have also been failed attempts to get IMD off the ground in some countries, with little more than a year or two celebration before ceasing, or merely a press release of an intention to celebrate the occasion but which did not eventuate. These do not qualify as an established event and shouldn't be included or, if they are, it should be clearly stated that the celebration came to a halt or didn't eventuate. As an example, an organization in Canada allegedly held IMD for three years running 1994,95,96 which did not continue. A new unsourced date has been suggested claiming that Canada celebrates IMD on 25th November but there seems to be no online evidence of this currently taking place (this needs to be verified with a source to remain in the entry, and I hope someone can provide something).
Finally, all mentions of IMD need to be backed by a reliable source and included in the entry, as this will discourage those trying to fabricate false material about the day. If anyone has reliable references -press releases, media articles, letters, websites etc- please add these in the section above, as the more reliable info we have, the higher quality this entry. 121.222.170.14 (talk) 23:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Canada reference needs sourcing or deleting. I've tagged it and will leave it up for a few days to see if someone verifies it with a source. 121.222.170.14 (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, deleted! An exhaustive search of the internet revealed only heresay and those parroting that heresay about a Canada 25 IMD celebration. Talk about Chinese whispers! It never happened on that date, but if per chance someone CAN supply a reliable published source that isn't a copy of a copy of a copy of an original bogus Wikipedia IMD entry, then please do provide it. 121.222.115.193 (talk) 07:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Found a few reliable sources stating that organizations in Canada celebrated IMD on Nov 19 around 2000-2001, but have found no press releases of continuation after that date. 121.222.115.193 (talk) 09:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article is problematic to the extent that it needs to be re-written. There are sourcing issues, original research issues, verification issues, etc. Starting with the lead, there is no way to verify that Mikhail Gorbachev suggested, nor the UN part. The given citation does not mention either party.[Incorrect- see below 123.211.81.249 (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)] A google search for Gorbachev "International Men's Day" yields no reliable sources. Next, we are using a self-published webpage prominently as a source (the tripod page, organization press releases). The article has weasel and unencyclopedic tone issues (i.e. "received overwhelming support", "has continued to grow with each consecutive year", and "global support for the celebration is broad").[reply]
The claim that IMD in T&T "has been celebrated nationally each consecutive year thereafter" is not supported by the source, which only mentions 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002. It is misleading to say that "countries holding celebrations". Organizations in these countries are, but not the countries (or government of these countries). The heading "Consensus on the Date" seems like a poor choice, but this section is the strongest in the whole article and doesn't need a complete rewrite.
The "themes celebrated" section has major tone issues, and has issues in making independent, autonomous celebrations seem more coherently organized.
In the "Negative feminist appraisal" section, the use of the word "spearheaded" seems like a hyperbole and not supported by the source. the "Official reply to Dr. M. Flood from the MHWA" doesn't seem like a published source, and the tone of that paragraph is not encyclopedic (it uses the first person "our" multiple times and has NPOV issues)
Also, a small note, references should not be repeated over and over, but instead we can name the reference and have all the footnotes point to the same reference. We have 33 footnotes, but only 20 different references.
What is noticeably lacking is independent sourcing. We need media coverage in sources that are independent from the organizations holding these celebrations. We also need better contextualization and weight considerations. I would appreciate input from anyone who may have this article watchlisted, and I'd like to start reworking this article soon, but I'll wait a few days to see if there is any response to this. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 16:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the Tripod page, these are mostly excerpts from the Trinidad and Tobago national Newspaper 'The Trinidad Guardian', and I merely referenced the Tripod page because thats the only still-available online source (excerpts only). Alternatively I could delete that reference to the Citizens for a Better Trinidad and Tobago Tripod archive, and replace it with Article published in the Trinidad Guardian. Moreover I'm presently contacting the Guardian to confirm dates of article publications.123.211.81.249 (talk) 23:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I found [1], which is a press released posted in a couple of websites. It states, clear as day, International Men's Day will have its inaugural celebration in Australia on 19th November 2008. However, our article states that IMD was celebrated in Australia in 2003 and 2004 (and presumably the years between), however our sources are organization press releases? Does the internet archive have copies of these releases if the organization and website is now defunct, and did any independent media sources pick up on and report on these events? A lot of information in this article is shoddy due to major verification and sourcing issues. I have Lexis-Nexus access and will be doing some searches in the near future to see what I can come up with. I have accordingly tagged some statements as dubious till these issues are further resolved, or we have consensus to outright remove this material which currently is violation of basic wikipedia policies.-Andrew c [talk] 04:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I also have publication copy of a conference given to Australian Federal Police in 2003 specifically to mark the inaugural event; this conference was about men's issues and International Men's Day 123.211.81.249 (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) A further Canberra Times article from 2003 called Blokes, it's Your Turn to Celebrate mentions the beginning. I can't seem to access the full article, but I suspect it is published independent evidence of 2003 IMD in Australia. Note the article is 20th on November 2003, the day after the usual IMD celebration. It reads-[reply]
123.211.81.249 (talk) 05:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)123.211.7.104 (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Canberra Times 2003 International Men's Day article referred to briefly in Legislative Assembly for the ACT: 2003 Week 13 Hansard (25 November) Page 4625 which criticizes the Assembly for a lack of recognition and support for IMD. The reference to the Canberra Times article reads:
I think it would be a better organization system if we combined the three major sections into one section which breaks up the celebration by country. Dr. Flood's criticism is in the context of Australia so it could go in the Australia subheader (and wikipedia guidelines say it's better to mix criticism in, as opposed to separating it out into it's own section). We could easily have sections for Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica, Australia, and India (and with better sourcing US/Canada). How that sound?-Andrew c [talk] 13:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
PS. Agree the Canada/U.S. needs better sourcing. It seems from my research that organizations Canada and the U.S. have celebrated the 19th Nov date over the years, but I have found not one media article or respectable webpage to give it more weight. Anyway thats beyond my call.... someone else will have to go searching for that one. I believe the Episcopalian churches have been involved, but that will have to be checked with the head office. Also the major U.S. mens groups could be contacted for evidence. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 14:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think having Phd qualifies Floods expertise is feminism , where as when it comes to mens right issues he is kess then a rookie I am happy if in womens day flood is given mention but his views do not have any meaning in this article Bharati8000 (talk) 08:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)bharati[reply]
Please craft any proposed alteration of the main article in a sandbox and provide a link here, or place arrangement here first to gain consensus before altering. I'm off to bed now, but will check if you've suggested anything by morning123.211.7.104 (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a serious issues. Twice I have found sentences directly lifted, verbatim from the sources without supplying quotations. This is not acceptable. I have removed this one from the lead: "Speaking on behalf of UNESCO, Ms. Ingeborg Breines, Director of Women and Culture of Peace, said: “This is an excellent idea and would give some gender balance.” She added that her organisation was looking forward to cooperating with the organisers of the IMD." I am nervous about what else I will find. Does anyone else know of instances where sentences have been directly copy and pasted from the web or otherwise copied from copyrighted sources? Sometimes it is appropriate just to quote the source directly. Other times, we can summarize and put the information in our own words (what I generally think is very poor writing, and in bad taste, is just to switch the word order around and use a synonym or two, which is what happened to the first copyvio I found).-Andrew c [talk] 19:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not blank important history without discussing with other editors. If you think something needs to be paraphrased or shifted to another area please discuss and do it rather than blanking. The quote from Ms. Ingeborg Breines is a VERY important endorsement for IMD by a world body, and it is sourced to an independent news source. Moreover I have written to Jerome Teelucksingh, the man who came up with the IMD celebration in Trinidad and Tobago, and who personally spoke with Ms. Breines about the event; he has confirmed that this conversation did take place exactly as reported in the news source!! Further, I have written to both Ingeborg Breines who now lives in Norway, and to the U.N. asking for any further documentation of their commitment to IMD. So please, don't blank this very important statement, as your motivation comes accross as less than honourable..... ie. if you want to paraphrase (without denigrating the phrasing) then that it preferable to blanking. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As I reminded you earlier it is poor practice (that you seem ignorant of) to merely blank material without looking at ways you can paraphrase, and without discussing the phrase at issue. I recommend you abstain from unnecessary blanking of material and instead learn to edit cooperatively rather than antagonistically. In this case you could have brought the issue to the talk page first and recommended rewording or paraphrasing, and it would have been done. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC) PS. I do get your point about quoting directly. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 03:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have received confirmation from Ingeborg Breines saying that the statement did come from her. She added her view that "the idea of a Men's Day is a legitimate initiative in the quest for gender equality". Although I trusted the original media statement as accurate, I am now personally in no doubt that this dialogue between Jerome Teelucksingh and Ingeborg Breines took place and the comments reported are a true and accurate account, although I'm not suggesting these email confirmations be used as source pieces for this article. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although many of the source articles don't clarify, UWI Lecturer Dr Jerome Teelucksingh was actually the man who came up with the idea to celebrate IMD in Trinidad and Tobago, and it was he personally who came up with the 19th Nov date. Harrack Balramsingh, Chairman of Citizens for a Better Trinidad and Tobago (CBTT) assisted Dr. Teelucksingh in coordinating and publicising these events. Dr. Teelucksingh emailed me this information and I just thought that we might take note if writing about TT events, maybe placing Jerome Teelucksingh name before (although with) Harrack Balramsingh for due recognition or roles. Just a thought. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 23:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As usual you are missing my point entirely. I am not introducing "a source" to be quoted. This is background information only and I have no intention of publishing it. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 03:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The LEAD currently reads: International Men's Day is an international event celebrated on 19th of November. It was suggested in 1999 by Mikhail Gorbachev[citation needed] and was supported by the United Nations in Vienna[1], and received overwhelming support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean.
I'm concerned about the Gorbachev mention, as I have not seen one reliable source and think it should go if other editors agree?? Its still possible that there is something behind this mention, but until something appears it's presence is unwarranted. I'll wait to hear what others want and then delete if you agree. As the conception of IMD (and first event) was originated by Trinidad and Tobago's Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh, I'm thinking that could replace mention of Gorbachev as long as we can reliably cite it. EG.
International Men's Day is an international event celebrated on 19th of November. It was suggested in 1999 by Jerome Teelucksingh [citation needed] and was supported by the United Nations in Vienna[1], and received overwhelming support from men's groups in USA, Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean.
At present though the difficulty is that although everyone I've spoken with agrees IMD was Mr. Teelucksingh's creation, there is nothing outside the many confirming emails I have. I have some more hard evidence on the way (reliable independent published sources) which may provide us with the needed citation. So if we like the sound of this change we can just vote here and I'll add the info if/when a source avails. What do we think? 123.211.7.104 (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, removed mention of Gorbachev as violates policy biographies of living persons. If you think this is an error please reinstate with a reliable source. I shortened the sentence to this; It was inaugurated in 1999 in Trinidad and Tobago and was supported by the United Nations. and left the same cite in place as it refers to the 1999 TT inauguration and to U.N. support. I will in the weeks ahead add something more substantial as I have reliable newspaper clippings coming via the mail, but until then there is no basis for elaboration. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 07:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, I can imagine it now, an editor coming along and adding "angry men's groups are the only ones celebrating, and nobody else cares". When o when that stuff will end is anybody's guess. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is the occasional discussion of IMD in the British press, for instance Ally Frogg's piece http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/19/international-mens-day, and I've found another in the New Statesman and a couple others. What place do these opinion pieces, which often focus on the politics of IMD, have in this wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.99.137 (talk) 22:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
someone removed the Flood reference I placed in the entry, but I'm ok with that. I agree with this deletion because (as other editors have pointed out) it is only one man's thoughts and negative ones at that. Undue Weight rules apply. 123.211.7.104 (talk) 01:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am the one who is cleaning up Bharati8000 (talk) 08:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)bharati[reply]
Introduced heading for each country as per suggestion, and changed 'Themes celebrated' to 'Observation' because subject material was more about the modes of conducting an IMD than about topics celebrated alone. 121.222.172.153 (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I notice the Flood POV piece has reappeared, and should probably be deleted again as has been done by several editors. If it is to stay there needs to be clear qualification that this Flood is driven by feminist concerns, and openly declares his writings feminist. Personally i think it should go. It is rightly ridiculed as sexist POV hyperbole 123.211.97.190 (talk) 02:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am surprised that flood is considered here by some miguided elements . He hasn;t wom olympics like Abhinav bindra. Floods rant against IMD is just that a rant
IMD was started by Jerome Tilaksingh , wished by gorbachev and that is the history nobody should try to erase —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharati8000 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's a men's day in Norway too, but it's on the 8th of Oct each year..
I'm not sure of how relevant it is for this article but it might be worth checking out.
Luredreier 16:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It appears that IMD is celebrated in Norway on November 19 on the same date as every other country according to the official Norway website- Norges Internasjonale Mannsdag - Offisielt nettsted for mannsdag feiringen 19. november! 101.162.45.46 (talk) 10:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Flood's opinion took up 20% of the entire article which is indisputably Undue weight. As his main point of attack was directed at the Australian effort of MHWA, and as he is Australian, I put a short reference in the Australian section. 123.211.71.232 (talk) 10:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Flood reference again started to grow out of proportion in relation to it's relevance. I have shortened it as much as possible while retaining the main points of view, but is still a bit bulky according to wp:undue. In-citation links are given in the entry for those who wish to read the entire Flood/Gouldson's exchange. 123.211.162.37 (talk) 07:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have concerns with the latest edits, and the amount we are sourcing to "International Men's Day global website". This relates to WP:V (and then WP:RS and WP:CS). It seems like someone could post whatever they want, regardless of the notability or even veracity, to "International Men's Day global website", and then we just parrot it here. We need to rely more on independent sourcing. Not self-published and/or non-independent sourcing. Is it possible to verify any of this new content in such sources? If not, then we have verifiability and notability issues. -Andrew c [talk] 17:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll email the Manology people and ask if thier event got press. If not then you can delete it. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 06:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When I came to the article yesterday, I found much of it (the introduction in particular) simply copy/pasted from the greeting on http://www.internationalmensday.com/ (Plus some recent vandalism. By the vandal's comment in the intro, s/he didn't spot why the event existed.)
I tried to improve the writing and make it more encyclopedic. Part of that involves summarizing, being descriptive and giving some clue as to what the subject of the article is about early in the introduction. While the IMD organizers surely want to be politic and have everyone and every group supporting, this is not a reason for removing all information about the event's aims or raisons d'être from the intro. After the recent IP edits, the only clue remaining in the first paragraph is from the comment from the UN employee at the end, and it seems pretty weak to rely on that.
I don't think we should try to make the reader get through the History section just to find out what it's about.
[Edit: I didn't see that some of this info is later in the introduction. Coming back to the article, the first paragraph appeared to me to be the whole introduction. Still I think we can be a little less generic in that first paragraph.]— RVJ (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Scrap the above suggestion. After re-reading its clear the aims/objectives are already clearly laid out in the lead, and these correspond with numerous sources including Teelucksingh:
LEAD- The objectives of celebrating an International Men's Day include focusing on men's and boy's health, improving gender relations, promoting gender equality, and highlighting positive male role models.[2][3][4][5] It is an occasion for men to highlight discrimination against them and to celebrate their achievements and contributions, in particular for their contributions to community, family, marriage, and child care.[6][7][3][8][9]
That is a clear set of objectives. 121.222.250.254 (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is a video of Dr. Teelucksingh speaking about the beginnings and aim of International Men's Day here. Is this allowable as a source? 121.222.250.254 (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently IMD did not take place in Moldova [2] this year and the global IMD website records the following: [EVENT UPDATE: Due to a resurgence of swine flu the public gathering of students in Moldova was cancelled. Some groups reportedly held private observances in thier homes. We have found no media reports of IMD observance in Moldova this year].[3] 121.222.250.254 (talk) 00:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The logo of the Website dedicated to extending celebrate, which is personally labled "The Adam Badge" after and by it's creator Adam Alexandru has been added to the commons. Positive male role models (talk) 06:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Currently there are two images for the logo, File:International Men's Day Symbol.JPG and File:International Men's Day Symbol.png. I've got no strong opinion either way aside from the png image having a clearer license status from OTRS at the moment. Although http://www.international-mens-day.com/logos.php is showing both of the images. -Optigan13 (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The coordonator of International Men's Day Website Jason Thompson accepted File:International Men's Day Symbol.png to be IMD Symbol. This is email comunications between Jason Thomson and owner of File:International Men's Day Symbol.png on November 12 2009: Jason Thompson: "I accept symbol, That is why I placed a link to your website, the place where you host the symbol. I like it very much and have shared your symbol with many persons. Regards, Jason ". Not understand why it was accepted and now removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.248.173.128 (talk) 09:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This IMD Coordination Committee has been created after File:International Men's Day Symbol.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.248.173.128 (talk) 07:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I will not delete the "The Adam Badge" if you feel it should be included, Andrew. You are an Admin and you will be responsible for that recommendation. In fact I have NEVER deleted it, but only reverted to the earlier symbol I had placed in the entry and which was deleted without any good reason by the owner of the Adam Badge, numerous times. So what I request is that the earlier symbol be reinstated, alongside the Adam Badge if you desire (your suggestion), as there is no reason for the earlier image to be deleted (this has been my primary concern all along). Do I have permission to re-post the [4] symbol? Positive male role models (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the Adam Badge needs to be removed. This article is about International Men's Day, not 'Adam Alexandru Day'. There exists no article, book, reference or any other source mentioning the name 'Adam Alexandru' or 'Adam Badge' in context of IMD. 124.185.207.45 (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The Adam Badge" is not Day, this is Symbol of the International Men's Day created on 30.09.2009 and protected by the UK Copyright Service published under the Licence GNU Free Documentation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.131.101.163 (talk) 21:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The Adam Badge" is not named by owner name, and he do not have intention to promote himself! "Adam" name is historical symbol from "Adam and Eve" male and female, and this is Symbol of the International Men's Day! about what violates you talk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.131.88.138 (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
121.223.37.124 (talk) 10:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Has nothing to do with the Bible and religion, This symbol is for all religions Why bother you as much this symbol, he was accepted by you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.107.85 (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Precision! "The Adam Badge" has nothing with religion! it is for all, my colleague gave an symbol example. It is created by Adam and this work was named, ATENTION: work was named "Adam Badge" but he is "International Men's Day Symbol" which represents strength and masculinity, handful of gold and a symbol of masculinity all this combined is receives "A large worth of male power", the symbol of the International Men's Day. This symbol was presented to Dr. Teelucksingh and auto-proclaimed coordinator of IMD Jason Thompson on November 12 2009 and was accepted. I do not understand for what purpose no longer accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.116.141 (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Tell me clearly and explicit to know all people what exactly is your problem with International Men's Day Symbol? The work is not successful? You don’t like how it look? It is vulgar? you don’t like the name of work? OR the auto-proclaimed coordinator of IMD Jason Thompson after half year was created Symbol and he too and does not want to have competition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.94.98 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok! If you see the Symbol didn't have the name of work on the image, from your attention we will remove the name of work from the reference, will be only "International Men's Day Symbol" if is confusing. Will be OK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.94.98 (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it on 3th November? O.o Oblak24 (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The event founder Dr. Jerome Teelucksingh emphasises gender equality as one of the six objectives of IMD: "To improve gender relations and promote gender equality". In his book about IMD Teelucksingh states that International Men's Day seeks to promote "the formation of anti-racist and anti-sexist groups in the community." IMD event coordinators from around the world emphasise the goal of acheiving equality and the concomittant practice of challenging sexist attitudes that lead to inequality, including sexist attitudes toward men and boys. Above all the IMD movement is classed as a humanitarian movement, as captured in the words of IMD Historian Jason Thompson who wrote;
For more info there is an explanation of the non-sexist, pro-equality aim of IMD encapulated in the official IMD website's Diversity and Equality Statement Page. 124.170.85.130 (talk) 09:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The first IMD in Italy was in 2010. Here is a picture outside the colluseum. Italy is mentioned as having celebrated the event in Jason Thompson's book on the history of IMD, 'International Men's Day: The Making of a Movement'. 58.6.220.78 (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that this article is rated Low Importance on thhe projects importance scale, whereas International Women's Day is rated variously as mid or high importance in various projects. Strikes me as unequal. Just saying.
And a little trivia: The UN designated 19th November (International Men's Day) as World Toilet day. Yes, really. http://worldtoiletday.org/ 21stcenturypolitix (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This site is looks like the domain got taken over with blog spam; all of the links to it are broken, which is most of the refs on this page. I marked the page, but not sure how to proceed from here. Nfirvine (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The New Zealand reference needs sourcing or deleting. I've tagged it and will leave it up for a few days to see if someone verifies it with a source. The only inference I can find are two comments on ONE website saying New Zealand SHOULD support International Men's Day, but NOTHING official. Thedoctor98 (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Today, early spring, is Women's Day. Why do we men get our Day in late fall/early winter? Seems to me that we ought to have ours in summer. When we're out grilling, and other such things. 🙃😉 2600:1700:5270:CA20:61F4:B5EC:28F4:B232 (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, the article as currently written gives a terrible first impression, in that it at first blush, appears more a "Let's celebrate the patriarchy"/"Toxic Masculinity Day" rather than a day of awareness signifying the actual real life issues faced by males around the world. The first few paragraphs completely bury the point and even introduce jargon that cannot be addressed until someone has already decided or not to read the main body of the article.
Here, try this: International Men's Day, is an awareness day for many issues that men face, including abuse, homelessness, suicide, and violence. Just one sentence alone helps bring the lede back in line with what the awareness is for, instead introducing six principles when the table of contents isn't even visible yet. 2601:540:8200:187:8062:862:DBF8:F3DB (talk) 08:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwarbage, I had added the Criticism section because of how prominent it is in media; unlike any other politicized identity holiday. —Yuyutsu Ho (talk) 07:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the growing allayment of the Men's Day concept with white supremacy groups that reinforce misogyny and incite violence against women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.0.180.160 (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poland is listed as one of the countries here, but we don't celebrate it neither in November nor in a way even remotely related to the six pillars or tbh anything like IMD. We do actually celebrate boy's day PL:Dzień_chłopka, but it's limited to school age boys and happens in September. For past several years some people have been pushing for man's day on March 10th, but there are no actual celebrations, nothing related to the six pillars again, more like a cash grab, just low effort "Women had their big celebrations on 8th, so now let's say it's your turn, here's a discount code for chips and beer" kinda thing.
So tl;dr it should probably be deleted. 5.173.241.79 (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]