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I, like everyone else, have always thought that JD stood for Jefferson Davis, but I just learned via Dale Myers book that JD doesn't stand for anything at all. Myers quotes JD's brother Wayne Tippit as saying "It was just an initial name". (page 588) and, well, the guy's brother is a pretty authoritative source. Gamaliel 09:25, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I looked him up in the 1930 Census (Red River County, Texas) and he is listed there as "Jd" while his brother is listed as "Donald R.". Gamaliel 10:40, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
J.D. and J.R. are pretty common as stand-alone names in that time and place. Sometimes an initial only would be given to stand in for more than one possible name. Harry S. Truman's middle initial is one such example.2605:6000:7B44:4500:A0C0:1046:D232:B861 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Like all aspects of the Kennedy assassination, the circumstances surrounding the shooting of Officer Tippit has been questioned by conspiracy believers. Many assassination books discuss the Tippit shooting in limited detail. The most comprehensive authoritative volume, and the only book dedicated exclusively to the Tippit shooting and its aftermath, is Dale K. Myers' With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit. Myers' book discusses the conspiracy theories surrounding Tippit's murder and documents the true facts. While other conspiracy-oriented books provide alternative viewpoints, none are as complete and well-documented as With Malice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.110.76 (talk • contribs) .
David Belin of the Warren and Rockefeller Commission is fond of saying, "Lee Harvey Oswald killed policeman Tippit. Since the case against Oswald for the Tippit slaying is so strong, it follows that Oswald also shot the President." The case against Oswald in the Tippit murder is as weak as the case against him in the JFK assassination. The most important evidence showing that Seymour and another one of the assassination team shot Tippit is the fact that six witnesses, ignored by the Warren Commission, saw two men shoot Tippit. One of them resembled Oswald. They ran away from the scene in opposite directions. Seymour ran toward the Texas Theater, throwing the planted shells up in the air so that witnesses would see and recover them. (This act would convince most people that Oswald did not shoot Tippit.) The other assassin ran in the opposite direction. There is some indication that Seymour entered the theater in a manner to draw attention and then left before the Oswald arrest. While the shells recovered were found to match Oswald's pistol, none of the bullets recovered from Tippit's body matched. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.1.5.244 (talk • contribs) .
Hi. I am responsible for the overhaul of this page. I have tried to lay out both the Warren Commission's version of Tippit's murder as well as the criticism of the Commission in a fair and accurate manner. I welcome you comments. Joegoodfriend 23:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's stated by some investigators that Oswald went up and shot him in the temple (after shooting him three times), apparently no witness sees Oswald going close to Tippit and shooting him. Plus, Tippit's entrance wound does not bear any gunpowder burns. Detective Jim Leavelle himself has stated that "he wouldn't go up to him, he's trying to run away". In any case, Oswald fired ALL four shots from over the car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.48.255 (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the article's claim that:
From her testimony to the Warren Commission, vol. III, p. 311:
and again, vol. III, p. 318:
— Walloon 23:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Joegoodfriend 00:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the article's claim that:
From his testimony to the Warren Commission:
— Walloon 00:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the article's claim that:
Officer Poe specifically testified he was not sure whether he initialed the cartridges or not. From his testimony to the Warren Commission, vol. VII, p. 69:
— Walloon 01:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We need a picture of the officer, So this arcticle could be better.Poke mudkip 21:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mark Lane was notoriously manipulative in his telephone conversation with witness Helen Markham. He repeatedly tried to get her to say that Tippit's killer was "short, heavy, and with bushy hair." A transcript from Lane's own book. Mrs. Markham identified Tippit's killer as Oswald at the police lineup on Nov. 22, 1963, the day of the assassination, she identified Tippit's killer as Oswald in her telephone conversation with Mark Lane on March 2, 1964, and she identified Tippit's killer as Oswald in her Warren Commission testimony on March 26, 1964. — Walloon 01:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the assessment of Mrs. Markham's reliability. If she were my witness, I'd be pulling my hair out. — Walloon 01:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Oswald was also shown to witnesses in police lineups that otherwise consisted entirely of teenage boys."
Here are the teenage boys from Oswald's police lineups at 4:35 and 6:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963, the first two of his four lineups. The other men in his third lineup, at 7:55 p.m. that day, were Richard Walter Borchgardt (born 30 May 1940), Ellis Carl Brazel (born 24 Nov 1941), and jail clerk Don Ables. The other men in Oswald's fourth and last lineup, at 2:55 p.m. on November 23, were John Thurman Horn (born 6 November 1945), David Knapp, 18, and Daniel Lujan (born 15 February 1937). — Walloon 05:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"The original police transcript in the National Archives also lists the time of transmission as 1:10 PM. Reference: Armstrong, John, Harvey, Lee and Tippit: A New Look at the Tippit Shooting, Probe Magazine, Vol. 5, No.2."
Not true. Verbal time stamps made by the Dallas Police dispatcher show that the first report of the Tippit shooting was transmitted over Channel 1 some time between 1:16 and 1:19 p.m. (Click on the speaker icon at the bottom right of each highlighted section to hear the recording.) Specifically, the transmission by T.F. Bowley from the site of Tippit's shooting begins 1 minute 41 seconds after the 1:16 time stamp. The original transcript also reports that the first report of the Tippit shooting was transmitted some time after the 1:16 time stamp. — Walloon 05:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
When you click on the words "original transcript" above, you are seeing the "actual copy" in the National Archives. — Walloon 17:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm a law student, with a journalism background, and I'm trying to put both to use when editing here, e.g., standards of proof, rules of evidence. — Walloon 04:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"17 minutes and 45 minutes" seems to be a mistake for "17 minutes and 45 seconds". — 86.139.209.191 03:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Murray Jackson seems to be trying to minimise the extent to which his friend was behaving provocatively with Tippit's own gun. All witnesses say that Tippit's gun was completely out of its holster. This is probably the explanation of the sudden explosion of violence after the previous friendly conversation between the two. See http://www.jdtippit.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.158.205.24 (talk) 12:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest that the two paragraphs that begin with "presence of the cartridge shells" be deleted. They are argumentative, unencyclopediac, not supported by citation, and have only the most tenuous relationship to a biography of Tippit. Joegoodfriend (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone explain this passage currently in the article:
What questions does it raise? Oswald was arrested about a half hour after the shooting of Office Tippit. Is that passage implying that Oswald didn't have time to reload his pistol in a half hour? — Walloon 04:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC) One thing I find strange is that Poe says he saw an automatic pistol, and Oswald had a .38 special revolver. Yet it isn't mentioned what kind of cartridge casings were found. .38 automatics use .38 ACP which is a different cartridge, so it would be a pretty big deal which kind the empty cartridges were, since if they were .38 ACP they wouldn't work in Oswald's gun, and if they were .38 special then there is something wrong with seeing an automatic pistol...85.157.155.247 (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"However, the accuracy of Roberts' estimate can be confirmed by the fact that Oswald had been dropped off by cab three blocks away from his rooming house at 12:57 p.m. (Myers, With Malice, p.380.)"
I have removed this inaccurate claim from the footnote about Earlene Roberts' estimate of Oswald's arrival at his rooming house. It is not an established "fact" that Oswald had been dropped off at 12:57 p.m. The only witness to Oswald's being dropped off was the cab driver, William Whaley, who recorded the journey in his log as occurring between 12:30 and 12:45 p.m. Whaley later testified that he routinely rounded off journeys to the nearest quarter-hour: "Now that could have been 10 minutes off in each direction because I didn't use a watch, I just guess, in other words, all my trips are marked about 15 minutes each." — Walloon (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted the recent changes made to this section by an anonymous newbie editor. This is long-standing consensus text that should not be changed without discussion on this talk page. Furthermore, researchers need not automatically be labeled 'conspiracy theorists' simply because they uncover evidence possibly at variance with the Warren Commission's conclusions. Finally, the article does not need unsupported text regarding what is "generally accepted." Joegoodfriend (talk) 06:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article gives his wife's surname as Gasaway, but I have seen it on Tippit sites throughout the Internet written as Gasway. Which is the correct version?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Even the external link provided gives her name as Gasway so I'm going to change the article from Gasaway to Gasway.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed two paragraphs by Mardude containing erroneous information about Tippit shooting witness Domingo Benavides, and post-shooting witness Warren Reynolds. First, it claims, "His [Reynolds'] shooter, Darrell Garner, was caught and not convicted". Garner was never charged with the shooting. Garner was arrested because earlier that day he had been on the Reynolds car lot trying to sell a car without a title, and became very angry with Reynolds. No other evidence linked him to the shooting, and he was eventually released. It is unfounded and impermissible to say that Garner was Reynolds' shooter. Mardude also writes that Garner's girlfriend, Betty MacDonald, "was a former employee of Jack Ruby, a stripper at the Carousel Club." The Warren Commission investigated and found she had never worked there (Warren Report, p. 663).
Mardude also wrote, "[Domingo] Benavides look-alike brother Eddy Benavides was killed by a shot in the back of the head in a beer joint on Second Avenue in Dallas. Since the case remained unsolved, J.W. Jackson, Domingo's father-in-law, did some investigating himself." Actually, Edward Benavides was shot by a drinking companion, who confessed to the killing and served twenty months in prison for manslaughter. — Walloon (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Walloon, why did you delete the text, "Markham made numerous false statements before the Commission, such as claiming to have been alone with Tippit's body for twenty minutes after the killing." ?
Markham testimony: P. 584 [1]
Markham (referring to Oswald): ...he turned and run and that's when I run to Mr. Tippit.
(snip)
Question: I see, and you went over to Officer Tippit then?
Markham: Yes sir.
Question: Did you have a chance to talk to him?
Markham: Yes sir.
Question: And, did he say anything?
Markham: Yes sir, he tried to talk to me.
(Obviously untrue. Tippit was dead.)
P. 590:[2]
Markham: They wouldn't even come out and help me and do nothing after it was over.
Question: Even after it was over they didn't come out?
Markham: Not till the police, the ambulance came first then the policemen came.
Question: I see. How long would you say it was after the shooting until the first person came out?
Markham: About 20 minutes before.
Question: About twenty minutes before anyone came out?
Markham: Yes sir.
Question: And the officer was in the car dying all that time?
Markham: On the ground dying.
Also, I have to object to the text that Tippit, "according to numerous witnesses... was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald". I'm aware that numerous witnesses observed Oswald at or near the scene, but I believe only Markham is identified as literally seeing the shooting and literally identifying him as the shooter. Thanks. Joegoodfriend (talk) 07:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted conspiracy theory section since it is too long and since there is a separate article on it — Preceding unsigned comment added by NCDane (talk • contribs) 01:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redeleted for same resaonable cause originally stated.
reverting editor is mistaken when he characterizes deletion as "Criticism of the case against Oswald" and not "JFK assassination conspiracies theories". Any theory other than Oswald as lone gunman is an assassination theory, and the deleted text is concerned with nothing other than broader conspiracy. --NCDane (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The introductory summary of this article states that "according to multiple government investigations including the Warren Commission, was shot and killed by Lee Harvey Oswald after Tippit stopped Oswald". But I see no mention of any other government investigation that reached this conclusion. Could the article at least mention one of these other "multiple government investigations" to substantiate this statement? MisterSquirrel 18:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisterSquirrel (talk • contribs)
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I am not doing a vandlism. (Sorry for spelling mistake)
Butch Burroughs, the ticket collector at the Texas Theater who also ran the concession stand, says that Oswald came into the Texas Theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm, making Oswald's alleged 1:15 shooting of Officer J.D. Tippit impossible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p4AvezLnG0 should it be put on here which I did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.0.98 (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This youtube video is an excerpt from an interview of Butch Burroughs by author James W. Douglass, and is quoted on page 291 of his book "JFK and the unspeakable: why he died and why it matters".[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.179.140 (talk) 04:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored this section of the article to its long-standing consensus text. This text should not be deleted with the idea that the subject is covered in other articles. First of all, it is not in fact covered in other articles, and second, the details of JD Tippitt's murder are appropriate to this article. They are not inherently a part of any JFK assassination theory, nor are they inherently part of Lee Harvey Oswald's personal biography. Joegoodfriend (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Lee Harvey Oswald pages says four investigations but this section says two investigations, spelling error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.148.219 (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is still no reference in the article to the fact that Tippit had drawn his pistol before Oswald fired. See the paragraph "Minimise" above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.67.194 (talk) 12:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What type of service pistol did Officer Tippit carry? L. Thomas W. (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Smith & Wesson K-frame revolver, .38 calibre, 4-inch barrel (therefore presumably the usual Military & Police Model 10 .38 Special favoured by most officers), serial 138278, which Tippit had registered with the Police Department on recruitment in 1952 and carried ever since. It's Texas, so officers provided their own weapons and the Police Department just set certain requirements such as a minimum 4-inch barrel for revolvers for uniformed duty. Nowadays they are supposed to renew their sidearms every couple of years, but it wasn't a requirement then.
Oswald's mail-order murder weapon was a version of the same revolver, but a wartime Victory Model manufactured for Lend-Lease supply to Britain, with British ordnance marks on the cylinder, and originally chambered for .38 British Service 200-grain or .38 S&W which is not the same as .38 Special. For US commercial resale, the gun was re-chambered for .38 Special and the 4-inch barrel was shortened. As .38 Special is actually .357, the barrel was slightly overbore. The fatal bullets were not precisely matched to Oswald's revolver because of the overbore factor, but the lands were consistent with Oswald's revolver and the gas-erosion marks meant that they were fired from an overbore weapon. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Myers' book With Malice is cited several times but the book was self-published. According to Wikipedia guidelines:
Myers is known as a computer animation expert and in that capacity did work relating to images of the shooting of JFK. I'm unaware of anything that qualifies him on other aspects of the assassination let alone of the Tippit killing. Unless someone can justify its use I will edit the entry to remove claims sourced to the book.
Lenbrazil (talk) 00:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've recently bought Myer's updated book. It's been praised by many people including Vincent Bugliosi and James Ewell and uses actual documents and radio log transcripts as supporting evidence. Personally, think it's a pretty reliable book, but I'm not sure if the praise for the book passes the "established expert" matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeHarveyDongwald (talk • contribs) 19:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The words "allegedly" should now be added to all statements concerning the killing of Tippit by Oswald. There is no authoratative substantiate evidence of Oswald having any involvement with Tippit.
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Revise Infobox from: | death_place = Dallas, Texas
Revise Infobox to, as previous versions were correct as stated:
| death_place = Methodist Hospital
Dallas, Texas[1]
Note: Tippit was transported from the scene of the shooting on 10th Street by ambulance to Methodist Hospital where he was examined by two physicians, then pronounced dead at 1:25 pm by Dr. Richard A. Liguori.
69.209.233.203 (talk) 16:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
References
You give Officer Tippit's burial date as Nov 25th. Robert Morningstar insists Officer Tippit was buried the day after he was shot Nov 23. Also the photograph of Officer Tippit is the so called 'Elvis Photograph' which was taken 15 years before he was shot, why is a more recent photograph of the Officer never shown?
The current theory by some researchers is that it was Officer Tippit, not JFK who was shot in the Limo is Dallas while serving as a 'security stand in double for JFK' . The grounds for this theory are 1 No one anywhere in Dallas can provide credible proof for where Officer Tippit was on the day of the shooting. 2 Officer Tippit was a virtual twin of JFK and was the but of friendly jokes by his fellow Dallas Officers who called him 'Jack Tippit' after JFK. 3 there was a closed casket at the fallen Officers (alleged funeral) in which he was hurriedly buried (supposedly). The photographs of the 'President' in Bethsada Hospital look nothing like JFK they do resemble Officer Tippit. There was no conspiracy to kill JFK that day in Dallas, simply a security operation that went tragically wrong. The motive for the sensless murder of Officer Tippit while acting as a stand in was indignation at the 'fake' parade.
My sources for most of the data about Dallas Nov 22 are from the work of Robert Morningstar, but I have left out his frankly unbelievable theory that Officer Tippit was shot to provide a corpse for an autopsy. All the 'Mob Plots' 'CIA Plots' and goodness knows whatever els nonsense stories are just cover smoke to hide a tragic, but understandable failure of security in Dallas that day. Johnwrd (talk) 07:28, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Widow of Dallas officer slain by Lee Harvey Oswald dies ... [4]. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is barely anything known about J.D Tippet.So why is there so many topics on Talk 47.188.66.194 (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the 10th paragraph of the Murder and Investigation section, the text refers to two names (Cunningham and Nicol) as if they had been previously mentioned in the article, when they were not. There is absolutely no context as to who these people are or why their opinion matters. I take it that they testified before the Warren Commission, but this section needs to be re-written to make more sense. As someone reading the article for the first time I was very bewildered when the two names were mentioned (when you mention someone by their last name only in an article like this, it's typically because they have already been introduced and context given, so when I got to this point I thought I had missed a section of text). MrAureliusRTalk! 22:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why, in the first section, the Burns family is referenced along with the Tippit family. I can't find any other reference to Burns in the article and I don't see the connection. Al Begamut (talk) 00:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]