This article is within the scope of WikiProject Chicago, which aims to improve all articles or pages related to Chicago or the Chicago metropolitan area.ChicagoWikipedia:WikiProject ChicagoTemplate:WikiProject ChicagoChicago articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Illinois, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Illinois on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IllinoisWikipedia:WikiProject IllinoisTemplate:WikiProject IllinoisWikiProject Illinois articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Civil engineering, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Civil engineering on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Civil engineeringWikipedia:WikiProject Civil engineeringTemplate:WikiProject Civil engineeringCE articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Event Venues, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Event VenuesWikipedia:WikiProject Event VenuesTemplate:WikiProject Event VenuesEvent Venues articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Professional sound production, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sound recording and reproduction on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Professional sound productionWikipedia:WikiProject Professional sound productionTemplate:WikiProject Professional sound productionProfessional sound production articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jazz, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of jazz on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JazzWikipedia:WikiProject JazzTemplate:WikiProject JazzJazz articles
The article claims that "the trellis system has unique features," including "[facilitating] sound delivery to a large audience" and using distributive speakers to "allow for lower sound volumes than would be necessary with centralized speakers that would disturb the neighboring residences and business." Neither of these features is unique to this sound reinforcement system! The article could mention them as benefits of this design, but they are certainly not innovations in sound reinforcement, and as such should NOT be presented that way. The article also lists as an innovative feature that "forward facing reinforcement speakers time the relaying of sound so as to make it seem to have arrived directly from the stage with clarity and proper volume levels." Delaying speakers to match each other is good sound reinforcement practice, but it is definitely not an innovation either.
I would suggest that these items be deleted from the list of unique features, although they could moved to a section of useful features which are not idiosyncracies of this system in particular. Thanks, --MatthewLiberal 14:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, in the section "Details," there are a few nebulous sentences as follows: "Much like his Experience Music Project in Seattle, WA, it suggests musical qualities. The form is designed to project sounds like a brass instrument." What are the musical qualities that are suggested, and how is the sound system similar to a brass instrument? These thoughts either need to be expanded/developed or removed. --MatthewLiberal 15:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Another vague idea from the Acoustics section: "The system has received critical acclaim for adaptations of its technologies such as signal processing in a variety of indoor and outdoor venues." This is a good idea, but not specific enough. Anyone who has set up a mixing board indoors and outdoors has used "signal processing in a variety of indoor and outdoor venues," so we need to know what "adaptions" distinguish this use from others. --MatthewLiberal15:04, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article looks very good in terms of the requirements, and I am leaning towards passing it. With respect to 3(a), I was wondering if it could be expanded ever so much to cover more information on: the commissioning and design process (this should be available since it is a recent project), and on the site and surroundings. Expanding will be the main task on the way to FA, and I'm trying to think of some advice to offer on how to proceed with that. This property must have some interesting history due to its location and it might be worth writing about what was there before and a little more about its connections to the city and park nearby. Maybe with a little more expansion on the site and design commission, the details of the acoustics might not seem to be too much in detail as I meant by 3(b). Just some discussion to clarify or actioning of these issues and I will likely pass the article in the next few days. D. Recorder 00:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I have passed this article for GA, note that expansion is required for the next level, A or FA. Congratulations. D. Recorder02:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Grant Park Music Festival not the Nation's Only Free, Outdoor Classical Music Series
This is not even the nation's only free, outdoor, classical music series within 200 miles of Chicago. Madison, WI's Concerts on the Square is also free, outdoor, classical music series. Jelloman (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the lead it says now ...a trellis network to support the sound system and a signature Gehry stainless steel headdress. The word headdress is a redirect to the headgear article, which makes no mention of buildings or architecture that I could see. This is an odd word choice and it makes me wonder if it is a direct quote. I also checked wiktionary at wikt:headdress and it does not list buildings in its definitions. If this word is kept, I don't think it should be linked, but I am wondering if it should be in quotes. Ruhrfisch><>°°03:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I too found the use of "headdress" quite odd. Another concern from that sentence is the word "trellis" itself. Did no one notice that it leads to a dab page? I would pipe it, but I'm not 100% certain that what appears to be the right link to me is, in fact, correct. Unschool19:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see no reason to have a wikilink to either trellis or headdress, as Gehry's structure doesn't have much to do with the traditional meaning of those. Let's remove such wikilinks. My preference is not to use the word headdress at all, and to use trellis only. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just searched the web for any kind of architectural usage of the term "headdress" and came up short. The only time the term is used is in relation to Gehry's work, and not by architectural scholars. Its use here should be removed as it is not a univeral architectural term. Binksternet (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the alt text, and perhaps having someone uninvolved look this over for language, I think this is ready for FAC. The PR lasted 66 days, which might be a record. Ruhrfisch><>°°16:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Misspelling: "shint". Maybe do a spell check on the whole article?
I agree that the existing alt text is a bit long, and could stand some trimming. Generally speaking, one should trim alt text from the tail (since the most important stuff is listed first), so, for example, you could remove "The background is dark." without losing much. Also, alt text for later images can assume the reader has heard alt text for the earlier images, so (for example) the lead image could described the curved metal trellis and boxy speakers in some detail and the later images can just say "trellis". However, this trimming is lower-priority and I wouldn't worry about it too much, as the existing alt text is quite good.
The article interchangeably uses "band shell" and "bandshell" without an obvious pattern for the difference. If there is none, it should be consistently spelled one way or the other. Also, it appears that "great lawn" is not always capitalized where used as a proper noun, although its usage in the lead, i.e. "a great lawn", might be OK. It's difficult for me to determine where the term is intended to be merely descriptive and where it's used as a title. -- Michael Devore (talk) 21:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At the request of Ruhrfisch I have agreed to act as a set of fresh eyes and to check over the article's prose, rather as I might in a peer review. Here are my comments on the lead and the first main section; more will follow over the next few days.
Lead
"named for Pritzker family member Jay Pritzker." Some indication should be given of the notability of the Pritzker family who are not well known outside the US.
Clumsy wording: "Pritzker Pavilion is built partially atop and shares a loading dock and backstage facilities with the Harris Theater for Music and Dance, the park's indoor performing arts venue." Try: "Pritzker Pavilion is built partially atop the Harris Theater for Music and Dance, the park's indoor performing arts venue, with which it shares a loading dock and backstage facilities."
What do you understand by the term "mainstream" concert?
Avoid close repetition of "presented". "...created a legal controversy" would read better. But you must indicate the broad nature of this controversy, if this sentence is to remain in the lead.
Design and development
"Jay Pritzker's widow, Cindy, was unimpressed with the original design and demanded that Gehry be involved." Far too vague. Although Gehry's name is mentioned in the lead, he needs to be properly introduced and his expertise made clear.
"Mayor Daley trademarks" Who is Mayor Daley? (This may seem an odd question, but like the Pritzker family he is not well-known over here. Also, wasn't there more than one Mayor Daley?)
More awkwardness: "The choice of Gehry was a key component of having modern themes..." It was Gehry's acceptance of the commission that was the key component, and "of having modern themes" is weak prose. Suggest "the key component in the modern themes strategy..." etc
The Pritzker details should be given eaelier rather than introduced here, mid-paragraph. I'd say this whole paragraph needs some attention as it is a bit of a mishmash of facts without much logical organisation.
"the pavilion suggests musical qualities" I'm sorry, I don't know what this means. Also, the effect of this paragraph is rather spoiled by its somewhat mundane final sentence.
The new addition of the critique of the "ugly" mix position in the middle of the fixed seats ought to be balanced by a cite saying why it is there. As a hint, Gehry's hands were tied: many artist's technical riders require central mix positions for their sound engineers. A sound engineer mixes best when in the best seats of the audience. Once the sound engineer has staked out that area, the door is open for other tech people such as video camera folk, lighting folk, producers and assistant stage managers to state a need to be "out in the house" as well. I'm guessing, but it was probably the needs of the video cameras that were most responsible for causing the concrete structure to be as prominent as it is. Other mix positions I've seen, ones that don't cater to video, are somewhat sunken so that the heads of the standing technicians are just above audience heads, and don't block sight lines so far back.
The wording as used in the article is faulty—there is no "concrete mixing console" anywhere in Chicago, or anywhere else as far I know. Mixing consoles are generally made of plastic, rubber and metal, with perhaps some wood or glass. The mix positionormixing positionorFront of House mix (FOH) is concrete, and doesn't look so terribly ugly to me. :-P At any rate, the one cite by the unenlightened Tribune critic should be countered by a cite detailing why this is so. Binksternet (talk) 22:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, the article is currently a candidate at WP:FAC and an editor there cited this review and specifically mentioned the obstruction from the ugly concrete. As this was an actionable request at FAC, I added parts of the review to the article in two places (also in the Acoustics section). I have changed the sentence to read A review in the Chicago Tribune criticized the mixing console in the midst of the fixed seats as an "ugly concrete structure" and Gehry's "biggest design miscalculation", and called for it be moved.[41] I appreciate your feedback, and it makes perfect sense to me, but I do not know of a source to use to balance this criticism. Ruhrfisch><>°°00:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tiny is the key. Big blocks of bold color are easier to see in tiny images; easier than ones with much detail. Of these three, I would throw out the one which shows hundreds of audience members as too detailed. Binksternet (talk) 14:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this. Choice one is too cluttered when tiny. I'm ok with the current picture, but I guess I like choice two a bit better. I find the prominent green grass to be a lot more visually appealing than those salmon seats.--TorsodogTalk14:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also like it, but agree that two panoramas in a row at the end of the article is too much (I would also tweak the caption - how is it "ultra wide"?). I see options:
Have just one panorama. Then the question is which one?
Move a panorama earlier in the artcle between sections
I have just modified one external link on Jay Pritzker Pavilion. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
I have just modified one external link on Jay Pritzker Pavilion. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
I have just modified 2 external links on Jay Pritzker Pavilion. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
I have just modified one external link on Jay Pritzker Pavilion. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
I changed the "Bibliography" to "References cited". This is not a biography but we have a section historically used for "Bibliography" (although discouraged by MOS:NOTES) it does not change the reference style and is in line with other articles for consistency and cohesion. Otr500 (talk) 12:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]