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There is a question of how many stores Coulombe started out with: 3 or 6 stores. The Mainstreet reference states 6. Other articles state 3. He was running 6 stores under Rexall. He may only bought 3. I will leave the number at 6 for now. War17 18:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The MainStreet reference states TJ's started in 1967. Other articles state 1966. I will leave the date as 1967 for now. War17 18:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Residents of Pasadena in 1967 were well educated and underpaid professionally. This is cited in Stanford business school literature http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/bmag/sbsm0602/people.shtml WLee 15:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
--fine: that is how Coulombe saw Pasadena...make it clear that is how COULOMBE saw Pasadena. Don't present it as a factual assessment of the city.
Sounds OK to me... Williamhurrah 01:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Much of the text has been taken from the following site:
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/bmag/sbsm0602/people.shtml
Vercillo (talk) 11:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is very little source material from Joe Columbe. So published material comes from mostly one source. The paraphrasing meets the 30% change requirement. WLee (talk) 22:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no quantifiable percentage which must or should be changed in determing substantial similarity in the US copyright laws that govern Wikipedia. Even if there were, Wikipedia's copyright policies were written to be intentionally conservative, in order to help secure the reusability of our content around the world.
This article seems to be an unusable unauthorized derivative workof[1]. For a few examples of close paraphrasing, consider the following:
Thus it was from the Steeres and the academic community that he learned about the class of consumers that would later provide Trader Joe's customer base...
The source says:
so it was from the Steeres and the academic community that he learned about the class of consumers that would later provide his customer base.
The article says:
...later asked him to start Pronto Markets as a test. He had six markets running when the firm ordered Coulombe to liquidate them. With financing from the Bank of America and relatives, plus selling his home and 49 percent of company stock to employees, Coulombe bought the markets.
The source says:
...later asked him to start Pronto Markets as a test. He had six markets running when the firm ordered Coulombe to liquidate them. With financing from the Bank of America and relatives, plus selling his home and 49 percent of company stock to employees, Coulombe bought the markets....
The article says:
In 1966, he was happily running a chain of 18 Pronto Markets convenience stores in the Los Angeles area when a threat loomed on the horizon. The Dallas giant Southland Corporation was invading with its fast-growing 7-Eleven stores. Coulombe saw the difficulty in competing with the well-financed Texans. In 1967, Coulombe launched his first Trader Joe's in Pasadena, California, a city which he viewed as the epitome of the well educated, underpaid customer. The concept worked. Slowly, he began converting Prontos in demographically correct neighborhoods.
The source says:
...happily running a chain of 18 Pronto Markets convenience stores in the Los Angeles area when a threat loomed on the horizon. The Dallas giant Southland Corp. was invading with its fast-growing 7-Eleven stores. Coulombe knew he had no chance against the well-heeled Texans.... In 1967, Coulombe launched his first test of Trader Joe’s in Pasadena, a city he saw as the epitome of the overeducated, underpaid customer he sought, and the concept worked. Slowly, he began converting Prontos in demographically correct neighborhoods....
There are other passages that similarly follow too closely.
While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. So that it will not constitute a derivative work, this article should be rewritten in the temporary space that is now linked from the article's front. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism".
Alternatively, if the material can be verified to be public domainorpermission is provided, we can use the original text with proper attribution.
Since my internet connection is faulty at the moment, I will ask another administrator who works copyright problems to look in on this article to see if there are any questions. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So where is the other administrator input? The Wikipedia article has be around for about 3 years, and not other administrator has flagged it.
You editing is overly aggressive. There is no copyright infringement. There is very little public material on Joe Columbe. A lot of it is work of mouth. So information has to come mostly from one source. Copyright rule said that you have to change 30% of the original article. I have done that.
I will stop contributing to the Wikipedia fund until this over aggressive editing is reversed. WLee (talk) 20:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Attempting to clarify a bit;
I hope this helps explain things a bit better; we do want to help, but please do understand the reasons behind the community-agreed principles.
Moonriddengirl has spent considerable time trying to explain the issues that this article faces, and advise and support fixing them; we are all here to make Wikipedia better, so please let us do that together. Thank you for your time. Chzz ► 05:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentencesorphrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators willbeblocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. MLauba (Talk) 11:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Name in summary should match the article file name. The full name is already in infobox. The birth name can be listed in Early life section. See revision with it. Suggest putting it back.SWP13 (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC) >>Updated.[reply]
I have Added the following but it has been deleted... Please insert back into article.SWP13 (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Coulombe was a philanthropist. Coulombe was a donor and a Governor Emeriti at The Huntington Library, Art Museum and Botanical Gardens.[2][3]
There is a distinct difference between a businessman and an entrepreneur. Anyone in business, regardless of their role, can be a businessman. But an entrepreneur -- aside from conceptualizing, launching and opertating a business -- assumes the risk of the business. The term businessman as a descriptor is very vague, while entrepreneur adds clarity. You can Google "businessman vs entrepreneur" for more detail. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:18AE:9870:D055:58D9 (talk) 18:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
