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Quoting from the article: "The northwestern section of the Kremlin holds the Armoury building." - as I've been to the Kremlin a few months ago, I'm pretty sure the Armoury building is in the southwestern section not the northwestern one. Proof found here - http://www.kreml.ru/en/main/kremlin/ - if you move the mouse cursor around, you'd find the armoury is in fact the most southwestern building in the Kremlin. So should be changed to southwestern?
Same again for the Arsenal, it's in the Northwestern section not the northeastern section. Proof found in the URL I supplied.
I also find quite a lot of stuff are missing from the article such as the Tsar Bell etc. OK for me to fill those gaps? --EnglishDude17:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The word Kreml is a Mongol word meaning fortress, and supporting information can be found below. http://www.athenapub.com/rusarch1.htm (Journal review: Russian Archaeology (Rossiiskaia Arkheologiia))
However, someone named "Ghirlandajo" (Andrey from Yaroslavl) keeps deleting my contribution about the name. No matter you like it or not, the history stays the same. You can not change or alter it. Kreml being a Mongol word does not reduce Russian greatness or history.
It is a historic fact that there are many Mongol/Turkic words in Russian language as a result of Mongol yoke. For example, Russian war cry "Ura" is a Mongol word, adopted by Peter I.
So, please stop deleting my additions. Everyone deserves to know more.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.91.191 (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not a Mongol (Chinese) word. It derives from Slavic term "kremlin" or "kre mlin" or "kraj mlin-a" (place of the Mill) and means "by the Mill". It was a fortress built nearby the river. I was never in Moscow so I speculate the city is surrounded by water or river as I understand this word.
To the "user" above me; 70.36.142.114, this is a typial racist claim. Secondly Russians are generally of R1a Y haplogroup. No, traces among old Slavs of N haplogroups were found. They are "blond aryans" if you are going into these Wermacht SS waters. So Heil Hitler to you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.65.197 (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert but it seems that the use of Kremlin to reference the government has different meanings in Soviet and modern Russia. The way I interpret things, in Soviet times Kremlin references all branches of the government while in modern times it references only the presidential branch. Given that distinction there would be two analogies to point out, the Soviet era analogy, Kremlin == Washington (and British equivalent) and the modern era analogy, Kremlin == White House, Downing Street. Can anyone confirm, deny or modify this interpretation? [[fltchr]] (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On the show Life After People on the History Channel, an episode goes into how the Kremlin's foundation has been devastated by constant military parades. Shouldnt this be included in some way, shape, or form?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.75.51 (talk) 01:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should be changed, but can't really think of the best alternative - probably "politics". Kremlinology is/was more than studying any particular Soviet or Russian government's "policies", it is/was about tracking and studying everything happening in these governments and, indeed, in Soviet times, the CPSU - changes of personnel, who was on the up, who's been demoted (or worse). Anyone offer a better word than "politics"? Maelli (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently has many errors and omissions with regard to the actual buildings that existed; which were demolished for which particular new buildings (significant errors here); and what is the current situation. No mention of the Presidium currently being demolished. And it requires proper book referencing on these points: some sources contradict each other on large and small points, so whomever attempts a rewrite should be diligent in their research. For example, the Church of the Savior In The Forest is sometimes termed the Savior in the Pine Forest. Engleham (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Moscow Kremlin → Kremlin – Both lowercase kremlin and Moscow Kremlin are negligible on a Google NGRAMS search compared to "Kremlin". Kremlin already redirects here, it is the clear primary topic and common name. (t · c) buidhe10:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Kremlin more academically does refer to other fortified citadels, but given the media's influence, I would not oppose the move. I would, however, recommend that the article's lead remains largely inact and mention "Moscow Kremlin" first. InvadingInvader (talk) 21:19, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Almost everyone calls it the Kremlin and even those who don't will understand if you just say the Kremlin. Saying Moscow Kremlin is just unnecessary. Natalius (talk) 04:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Rurik dynasty is of Ukrainian origin, not Russian!
Firstly, "Ukrainian origin" is nationalist nonsense. Secondly, the only ruling Rurikids there were when this kremlin was built were in Russia (the "RULING dynasty" of Russia) and this does not refer to origin. This is Ivan III we're talking about. Mellk (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - MOS:AT says "The" is allowed as a title prefix if it is an inseparable part of a name (The Hague) or title of a work (A Clockwork Orange, The Simpsons). So the question then becomes whether the name of the place is "Kremlin" or "The Kremlin". Searching Google Ngrams is slightly tricky in this case, because we'd want to exclude cases like "the Kremlin spokesperson said..." from the count for "The Kremlin". I believe the patterns <start of sentence> Kremlin <verb> and <start of sentence> The Kremlin <verb> should be fairly reasonable approximates that should yield very few false positives. They do fail to distinguish between the term used as a name of a building from the metonymical usage, but I think this is fine given that both usages are mentioned in the lede. The results indicates that "The Kremlin" is vastly more common over "Kremlin" alone: [1].
That’s just wrong, and the example is actually a counter-example. “The Kremlin spokesperson” is a specific one, “a Kremlin spokesperson” is an undetermined one, “Kremlin spokespeople” is a collective. In this example, the definite article the applies to spokesperson, and Kremlin without the is an attributive noun. —MichaelZ.03:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mzajac: you seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote. Yes, including The Kremlin spokesperson in the count for The Kremlin would be incorrect. Which is the reason my search specifically excludes cases like The Kremlin spokesperson by requiring the verb construct. Ljleppan (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So according to prevailing usage it would be “a Kremlin spokesperson,” and not “a The Kremlin spokesperson.” So the The is not inseparable. Yes, I misunderstood part of your statement, because it confusingly contradicts the other part. —MichaelZ.13:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't quite follow what you are trying to say at the start. As for inseparability and a a the constructs, even the canonical example of an inseparable the, The Hague, tends to not use it: [2]Ljleppan (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I seem to recall hearing the term "Moscow Kremlin" as well, specifically in contexts where "The Kremlin" might be synecdoche for the Russian government. But "The Kremlin" is most common. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:55, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per Google Ngrams ([3]), Moscow Kremlin (both with and without a preceding The) is very uncommon. This is also mirrored by the previous move discussion (from Moscow KremlintoKremlin) above. Ljleppan (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I've changed my mind on this one. I have come across several instances in news articles of "Kremlin" being used without an article in its adjective form, as well as the fact that the article never seems to be capitalized mid-sentence the way something like "The Hague" seems to be. That, combined with our general policy on avoiding beginning article titles with "The" for searching and indexing purposes pushes me over to the oppose side. Support per above. I took a look on Britannica, and they also title their article The Kremlin, and also The Hague, but interestingly just Holocaust.Rreagan007 (talk) 16:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:THE. Not usually capitalised in running text. All kremlins will be referred to as the Kremlin and capitalised within their own contexts. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As Necrothesp points out, "the" is not capitalized in running text in this context, and shouldn't be added to the title per WP:THE. I also find the White House example persuasive. Calidum13:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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