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A fact from Kukur Tihar appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 November 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that on this day, Nepali people worship dogs (example pictured) to please Yama? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kukur Tihar.

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on November 3, 2021.

The result was: promotedbyYoninah (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A dog with flower garlands on his neck

• ... that on this day Nepali people worship dogs (pictured) to please Yama?
  • ALT1:... that on this day on the occasion of the festival of dogs (pictured) people from Nepal offer them various foods including meat, milk, eggs, and dog food?

• Reviewed: Hidden Lake (Alaska)
• Comment: Please save this for 14 November. If better ALT is available please share with me!

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 16:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

• Starting review, will return shortly. Looks promising! Yakikaki (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Long enough, new enough and within policy. The text could use some polishing but there are no obstacles for a DYK. Both hooks are good, and supported by inline citations. QPQ has been done. The picture is great and has proper licensing. This should be good to go, and should be saved for 14 November just as the nominator suggests. Yakikaki (talk) 14:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi, I came by to promote this and first edited the article. I added some tags to clarify information – there is nothing in the BBC source about it being the second largest festival, and I'm also wondering what the first largest festival is? Please add a source for it. The first hook is better than ALT1, which says too much, but the way ALT0 is worded, it sounds like ... that nowadays Nepali people worship dogs to please Yama? Perhaps it should be worded ... that on this day ...?Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Hey Yoninah, I have edited the article. Thanks for the help! ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 15:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• You're welcome. Thank you for the new cites. Restoring tick per Yakikaki's review. Yoninah (talk) 17:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here on Wikipedia, the lede section is designed to summarize the body of the article. It should touch on all major points found below, in summary fashion. It is remarkable to me that while a section on mistreatment is included in the body, it is forbidden to be summarized with one sentence in the lede. That is a whitewash, because the rest of the lede is 100% rosy, sunny, public relations for the holiday. Elizium23 (talk) 08:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Good point. On the other side of the issue, there's the following unfortunate comment in the revision history: "This is not appropriate for the lede - get consensus on the talk page before adding it again." I've learned what I can about Wikipedia through a gradual, informal process; but there's a lot that I don't know, including how a "consensus" is reached among people who are interested in a Wikipedia page. Is there a list of people who would like to be involved in reaching "consensus" on this issue? Is there a formal process? Unfortunately, the only revision or consensus process that I've seen active on this page has been what I'd call a struggle for control. ScottS (talk) 05:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure why you think my comment was "unfortunate"; Wikipedia works by consensus-builing on talk pages. You can start understanding that by reading WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I think that the creator of this page, "Captain Medusa," did well to include a summary of the topic of animal mistreatment in the lead paragraph (aka the "lede section"), followed by more detail in the "Reactions" section. I think that the quality of this page was lowered when this summary was removed. The only explanation that was given for this removal was that one editor thought that this summary was "vague & unsupported." I disagree: I think that it was explained and supported well in the "Reactions" section. I agree with "Captain Medusa" and the editor "Elizium23" that a summary of this topic should be included in the lead paragraph. The only disagreement that I've seen to this has been the statement that "This is not appropriate for the lede - get consensus on the talk page before adding it again." However, that statement seems to have been made without support, and the removal seems to have been done without an attempt to reach consensus on the talk page. Unfortunately, the comment and the removal also seem to have precipitated an incident of WP:Edit_warring. ScottS (talk) 03:20, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Original summary on the topic of animal protection in the "lede section" (of the Wikipedia page on Kukur Tihar, by the creator of the page, "Captain Medusa," supported by detail in the "Reactions" section): "Kukur Tihar is also celebrated in Mexico and Australia. A charity event in Nepal raised about 300,000 Nepalese rupees (approximately about US$2,540 in 2020) in 2017 and 2018 which was donated to Animal Nepal, and Shree's Animal Rescue Nepal respectively. The Himalayan Times reported that dogs were treated differently for the rest of the year."
  • Revised final sentence of this summary proposed by "Elizium23" on 11/14/2020: "Some Nepali dogs are mistreated during the rest of the year." This final sentence has since been deleted without consensus.
  • Restored and revised final sentence of this summary proposed by "ScottSloe" on 11/21/2020: "Animal-protection advocates continue to work for improvements in the treatment of dogs in Nepal--especially strays--throughout the year."
  • ScottS (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The "section" on mistreatment has only one sentence that mentions the mistreatment of dogs in Nepal, and that too citing a source from 2007. Dogs in general are quite well-treated in Nepal. There might be a handful of cases of mistreatment but these are isolated incidents and such incidents occur everywhere around the world. This is not a whitewash. This is a fact. There are several organizations and NGOs that are working for the welfare of street dogs in Nepal. The fact that you want to have one sentence on the lede (which is not even 100% true) based on a line of text in the body citing a source from 2007 is what is really remarkable to me. Gaurab Lama (talk) 15:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Vague and unsupported" statement: "Dogs in general are quite well-treated in Nepal."
  • Reference on the topic of stray dog density in Kathmandu, Nepal compared to Shimotsui, Okayama Prefecture, Japan: Kato, Masahiko, Hideki Yamamoto, Yoshihide Inukai, and Shohei Kira. "Survey of the Stray Dog Population and the Health Education Program on the Prevention of Dog Bites and Dog-Acquired Infections: A Comparative Study in Nepal and Okayama Prefecture, Japan." Acta Medica Okayama 57, no. 5 (October 2003): 261–66. https://doi.org/10.18926/AMO/32829.
  • Reference on the topic of vector-borne pathogens (VBP) in stray dogs living in the metropolitan area of Kathmandu, Nepal: Díaz-Regañón, David, Beatriz Agulla, Bidur Piya, Natalia Fernández-Ruiz, Alejandra Villaescusa, Mercedes García-Sancho, Fernando Rodríguez-Franco, and Ángel Sainz. "Stray Dogs in Nepal Have High Prevalence of Vector-Borne Pathogens: A Molecular Survey." Parasites & Vectors 13, no. 1 (April 21, 2020): 174. https://doi.org/10.1186/s13071-020-04057-7.
  • Reference on the topic of continued work to improve conditions for animals in Nepal:『Animal Nepal’s 2018 Annual Report.』https://www.animalnepal.org.np/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Annual-Report-2018-1.pdf.
  • ScottS (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about this subject to understand why the dog has been identified with 1) Yama on this Wikipedia page, but rather with 2) Dharma on one of the articles to which this Wikipedia page refers (source 8), but rather with 1) Yama on another article to which this Wikipedia page refers (source 9). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottSloe (talk • contribs) 03:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

THE FACT THAT THE DOG IN THE PICTURE ISN'T COLORED WITH SPICES MAKES ME SAD :( THE Jproaz666 YT (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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