Contents

Talk:Leadbeater's possum

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Leadbeater's possum article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on April 3, 2014 and April 3, 2017.

This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Mammals: Monotremes and Marsupials Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Mammals, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of mammal-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MammalsWikipedia:WikiProject MammalsTemplate:WikiProject Mammalsmammal articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials (assessed as Low-importance). Australia: Victoria / Biota Mid‑importance Leadbeater's possum is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Victoria (assessed as High-importance). This article is supported by WikiProject Australian biota (assessed as Low-importance). Need help improving this article? Ask a LibrarianWhat's this? at the National Library of Australia, or the State Library of Victoria. The Wikimedia Australia chapter can be contacted via email to helpwikimedia.org.au for non-editorial assistance.

The article is ambiguous. Which is it?? Suicup (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to the IUCN, it's endangered. Frickeg (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're wrong, of course, but it does take time to catch up. Other bodies have described LP's status as "Critically Endangered" but the IUCN rating is generally accepted, even when inaccurate.Ian T (talk) 00:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All we can really do is report and source. Include both, with references, if two contradict each other, and both are reputable sources. --KP Botany (talk) 00:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep dates and seasons as correct for Australia.Ian T (talk) 00:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AmomieBOT has requested citations for some information that was formerly cited - what happened to those citations? I agree that they need to be reinstated, but they were all there formerly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.186.72.101 (talk) 03:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No-one is denying the conservation efforts made by Healesville Sanctuary or Melbourne Zoo. However, there have been no captive Leadbeater's possums for some years, so statements to this effect are accurate.Ian T (talk) 00:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There was an attempt to remove all record of logging activities impacting on the status of Leadbeater's possum - properly cited and accumulated over time - by a user with an IP of 203.12.195.131 (Victorian Government Electronic Messaging System for mobile.vicforests.com.au). VicForests have the most vested interest in attempting to delete accurate logging information in this entry. It is important this remains, as this species continues its decline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.186.72.101 (talk) 04:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another attempt has been made to remove much of the properly cited history of this species from this page - from the IP https://ipdb.at/ip/203.12.195.130 - this time probably by a staffer in the Baillieu Government, for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.10.186 (talk) 12:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another attempt was made, this time by the Department of Sustainability & Environment, to remove all mention of logging and threats to Leadbeater's possum. The IP was 203.12.195.130 [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastwilderness (talk • contribs) 19 July 2013‎

I've attempted to clear up referencing on this once before, appears to have been removed and mostly ignored. Recent efforts have been good, but continue to use secondary sources like newspapers and opinion pieces. This isn't acceptable for an encyclopaedic page.

I suggest a new category be created called "Controversy" or "Logging Controversy". There is visible bias and a heavy focus on logging and politics in the "Status" category, which creates confusion around the exact status of the LBP.

I would like to see more reputable sources. Opinion pieces, newspaper articles and links to activist websites are **NOT** reputable. Especially on the logging, politics and fire issues, peer reviewed papers should be the only acceptable sources. If it can't be reference with a peer reviewed source, don't say it. Just the facts.

I believe these changes are urgently needed as I suspect there are pro-logging and anti-logging groups using this page to promote their various causes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.163.198 (talk) 11:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Baillieu government is about to implement changes leading to the removal of DSE and other government conservation information online, making it even harder to have purportedly objective sources readily available.

I don't think it's controversial to source information showing that clearfelling of habitat has led to a population decline among Leadbeater's possums (landclearing was responsible for the extirpation of the Gippsland population), with changed habitat being a corollary of this. The Black Saturday fires have impacted the surviving population severely, possibly to the point of imminent extinction. However, the natural reclusiveness of the species has made recent population surveys very difficult - a gift to opponents of its conservation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.186.72.101 (talk) 03:59, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To Wikipedia Can you put on some more information on leadbeater's possum please can you? From Alexis Yates 52 Hackman street McDowell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.105.103.50 (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The citations are still correctly numbered relative to their references, but the numbering sequence has fallen out of order - unsure how to fix... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.23.145 (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean, but note that citations to ref 1 and 2 are in the infobox rather than the article lead. In any case I reverted the recent edits that caused some havoc. While well intended, probably inadvertently and in part because of the limitations of the VisualEditor the previous editor removed references, introduced random wikicode ("nowiki"), introduced content contradicted by reliable sources, and made changes that were not compliant with the Manual of Style in particular in regards to the use of external links and format of section headings. --ELEKHH^T 03:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I missed those first two citations. I think some of the new additions/arrangements were sound, so I might try to have a look at rearranging/citing some of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.23.145 (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This animal is described in the Lead as "primitive" and "relict". As I've never seen any type of possum driving a car, reading a newspaper or shopping in Next, I'm not sure what "primitive" is supposed to mean and I shouldn't need to guess. As for relict, I speak English as a first language and haven't a clue what this term means. If it's some piece of scientific jargon, as I suspect, it needs a wikilink. --Dweller (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article could inform an update to the Logging section:

• "Leadbeater’s possum may change the future of logging in Australia", The New Daily. Julia Dehm, 2020-03-06. https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/science/environment/2020/06/03/possum-logging-australia/ [Republished from The Conversation, links at bottom of article.]
  • "The Federal Court last week ruled that VicForests – a timber company owned by the Victorian government – breached environmental laws when they razed the habitat of the critically endangered Leadbeater’s possum and the vulnerable greater glider."
  • "The legal proceedings against VicForests were initiated in 2017 by Friends of the Leadbeater’s Possum, a small community group that relied on crowd funding to cover legal costs."
  • "In her ruling last week, the judge found VicForests unlawfully logged 26 coupes home to the Leadbeater’s possum and greater glider, and that logging a scheduled 41 other sections would put them at risk."

Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (09:32 Wed 03, AEST) 23:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]