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(I did not put it there.) I understand it to mean that it is generally (by historians) believed/presumed that these emperors were legendary (did not exist for real). bamse (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I had to scroll down quite far to figure out what this actually meant. For the first several dozen for whom firm dates cannot be established, it seems to refer to the dates being speculative/legendary/traditional, but its continuing down to Emperor Ninkō means it appears to refer to dates according to the Japanese calendar. Mixing these two definitions of "traditional" (the former useful, the latter not) is obviously inappropriate and should probably be amended in the long term, but checking all the dates according to the Gregorian calendar would be a fairly massive undertaking. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not right, no. "Traditional dates" means "dates according to legend, or at any rate unsubstantiated". It does to me and will to most readers I think, *especially* since the same phrase actually is used for ancient emperors with their vital statistics shrouded in the mists of history.
If we want to say "according to the Japanese calendar" or "according to the Julian calendar" or "by interpolation from the Japanese calendar" or whatever, we should say that. Anyway we ought to be able to get a better source for emperors of recent centuries than a French book from 1834. Herostratus (talk) 02:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Personal names for all of the early emperors are not their personal names[edit]
The names given as the personal name of the earliest emperors are not their personal names (諱), but their Japanese style posthumous names (和風諡号). Jimmu's personal name was not Kamu-yamato Iware-biko no Mikoto/Sumeramikoto (神倭伊波礼琵古命/神日本磐余彦天皇), this is his Japanese style posthumous name. His personal name was Hikohohodemi (彦火々出見). I will look into fixing this, possibly making another row for Japanese style posthumous name for the earliest emperors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.60.246 (talk) 23:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Anachronistic mentions and posthumous emperors[edit]
I was reading about some emperors directly from the list of emperors, and I realized that in some of them they refer to the Dairi of the Heian palace, for example in the first paragraph of the section of the early life of Kōmei-tennō, says, "Osahito's Imperial Family lived with him in the Dairi of the Heian Palace", i am not an expert, but it seems to me, that prince Osahito, later Kōmei-tennō, (father of the future Meiji-tennō), never lived in the Heian palace since the last traces of this palace disappeared in the early 13th century, how could a 19th century tennō could live in the Heian palace?,
Regarding posthumous emperors, although they do not appear in the official list of emperors, I propose to include them in the list, some examples i found, (i couldn't find any other, btw) Prince Sawara (Sudō-tennō) and Prince Masahito (Yōkwōin daijō-tennō), of course these ones refered as posthumous, without number, and other proper references etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:2F0:7060:2D04:1191:A999:6DBE:942B (talk) 11:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
