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I do not think it is neutral pov to construe a certain interpretation of the play as "laughable".(although it is a comedy)
Second paragraph states that the play was performed at the Lenaia and not the festival of Dionysus (as commonly believed). Second last paragraph (Re: Lysistrata 100) suggests the play was, in fact, performed at the Dionysus festival. By the way, is there a flag/tag for "conflicting information"? -- RedSirus (Fairly new and not knowing how to autosign)
Witholding sex is named as an insite link but there's no article so i'm removing it 141.153.203.145 02:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC) that was meOmishark 02:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"One of the humorous aspects of the play was that the main actors portraying male characters wore phalluses." This is not a humourous aspect of this play... It is an aspect of all Greek Comedies... Furius 05:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can it not be humorous white still being an aspect of all Greek Comedies. Slapstick was an aspect of all Vaudville reviews, but that doesn't make it not humorous. I see the point you're trying to make of the ahistorical view that the writer of that statement has of strappping on a phallus, but is there a historical argument that they didn't find it funny? For what reason did they strap them on if not for humor? --129.105.165.162 21:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Some archaeologists and evolutionary anthropologists argue that human culture itself was initially established, in Africa around a hundred thousand years ago, by women who organized a sex-strike once a month."
Can anyone back this up? I asked for a citation on the main page. proath01 00:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Should we mention that the The Dresden Dolls' song 'Shores of California' refers to the play by name? I'm not sure so I'll let another make the call. ForestJay 21:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"As with all Greek comedies, the actors portraying male characters wore phalluses, but since audiences of the day were accustomed to this convention, there would be no shock-humour as might be experienced by the modern audiences of today."
i do not understand why this paragraph is even on this page. if it's the case in all greek comedies, then why are we mentioning it specifically on this page? it seems more like a response to something on a discussion page, not something encyclopedic. Deutschebag17 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
please, if you know, put the rest of us out of our miseryNankai 07:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the translation by Benjamin Bickley Rogers, neither the lioness nor the cheese grater are mentioned in the oath.
John Spurgeon (talk) 01:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added an explanation to the article. Note that Rogers knew very well that it was a sexual position: in his 1902 Greek edition of the play, he says in his note to line 231 that Lysistrata『takes the lioness so standing as a σχῆμα συνουσίας』(= sexual position, literally "shape of intercourse"). Even in his scholarly work, he had to leave the rude bits in Greek! Gdr 17:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not essential, but it would be useful to me (if no else) if the article showed how the name is pronounced. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the performances listed are not notable, I think, so am removing them. Discuss if you disagree.
Colfer2 (talk) 16:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
how does the play end? it seems that very little wiriting is devoted to the actual play...
Editor MarritzN (talk · contribs) labeled this section 'trivia' today. I'm going to revert and refer here for discussion. Pop culture refs are akin to literary allusions. They are not trivia, as the matter cannot easily be integrated into the rest of the article, which the tag would suggest. Each allusion should be judged on its own merit as to notability. The 4 items listed are:
Maybe the name of the section should be change to "Cultural references", to include stuff besides "pop" culture. Opinions? -Colfer2 (talk) 19:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm about to rewrite this article so that it links with my rewrite of Aristophanes and it will probably end up looking like my recent rewrite of Thesmophoriazusae. I will keep as much of the existing material as I can. I like the section on modern performances and adaptations as this demonstrates the relevance of the play today and - let's face it - most people who stumble on this article will probably be more interested in the modern stuff. So I'll keep as much of that section as I can. Anything that's got a link or a reference to support it certainly should be retained. I hope I don't tread on any toes in the process. Lucretius (talk) 05:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the 'Clean-up' tag because I think it no longer applies. I have furnished the article with a reasonable scholarly treatment of the original play, and therefore the modern adaptations of the play no longer appear out of context. The section, now titled 'Influence and Legacy', has the support of links and references. It's a fascinating account of modern approaches to 'Lysistrata' and it deserves to be retained. Lucretius (talk) 03:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've put the info box (listing Aristophanes' plays) at the top of the article because the play is best understood as just one play by Aristophanes. It sets the context and it allows for easy movement between plays. Lucretius (talk) 06:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored the nav box (linking to Aristophanes' plays) to the top of the article because it allows for easy cross-referencing between plays and because it is a useful reminder that each play is best understood in the context of all the plays. Lucretius (talk) 00:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One contributor has flagged the Discussion section as original research in need of supporting references. I've now added two references from Sommerstein's introduction of the play. That now makes three citations from secondary sources and there are also several citations of the primary source that demonstrate the arguement being made in that section. The section does not make any controversial statements and I'm surprised that anyone would flag it as original research. Anyhow, I've now added supporting references and I intend to remove the flag in the next few days - unless of course somebody can demonstrate a reason not to remove it. Esseinrebusinanetamenfatearenecessest (talk) 06:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I put it there, and am convinced, after your cogent defense, that I should not have.MarritzN (talk) 07:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This page has been tagged with the satire category. Someone should note in the article what exactly is being satirized. 66.41.253.22 (talk) 16:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This statement seems odd. Aristophanes' plays are the only extant examples of Old Comedy, and only 11 survive. It seems extreme to say that Lysistrata deviates from any established norms or conventions of Old Comedy based on this evidence. If this statement was made in a secondary source referring to Lysistrata, please cite a source. ÇaCestCharabia (talk) 06:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are quibbling there - scholars often speak of A's plays as Old Comedy even though there is the understanding that we can't be sure how far he represented the norm. For example, Douglas MacDowell (a classical scholar, which Brockett is not) on page 5 of his intro to the 'Wasps' (O.U.P, 1971): "The play is well constructed in a manner which exemplifies Old Comedy at its best." A good overview of A and his drift away from the conventions of Old Comedy can be found in the intro to David Barrett's edition Aristophanes: the Frogs and Other Plays (Penguin Classics 1964) e.g. page 13:『..a study of the comedies of Aristophanes does reveal a certain pattern of construction—naturally it is seen more clearly in his earlier works—which seems to represent the core of traditional comedy.』Have a look also at A.H.Sommerstein's intro to Aristophanes: Lysistrata, The Acharnians, the Clouds (Penguin Classics 1973) for an overview of how Lysistrata differs from the pattern. There is ample support for the statement you find so dubious - by all means read more! Now I hope you'll remove the tag or I will have to do it for you (though I have already done quite a bit on your behalf). If you need a citation pick from the ones I have given you, where Barrett's is probably the most apposite. You might also look at the end section of this article for info about how Lysistrata differs from the 'pattern'. McCronion (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I addressed your concerns and generally WP editors don't go to such lengths. Your new edit is just a statement of Brockett's position. Brockett is not a classical scholar and he doesn't outweigh the authority of MacDowell, Barrett and Sommerstein. I will now change the sentence back and include one of the sources I provided you. If you want to use the Brockett source have a look at Old Comedy, an article that desperately needs work. The articles on Aristophanes' last plays also are in desperate need of sources and enthusiastic editors - The Frogs, Assemblywomen, Plutus (play). Thanks for your collaborative spirit and I welcome you to this great endeavour that we both share! McCronion (talk) 08:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My edit of the intro was pointedly about the play 'Lysistrata', mentioning Old Comedy and 'Thesmophoriazusae' only to establish context for the reader to follow up later in the article. Your edit has blunted the point, so that the intro seems to be as much about Old Comedy and 'Thesmophoriazusae' as about 'Lysistrata'. That is not respecting the original content of the intro. There is a section in the article for discussion about Old Comedy and I wonder why you didn't put your contribution there. I won't revert again as that opens the way to an edit war. McCronion (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The new source (Pelling) is very useful and thanks for adding it to the article's armoury. The intro is much improved though it says a little more about Old Comedy than most readers, I think, will be ready to digest so early in the piece (Lysistrata is easily A's most popular play with modern audiences and most people aren't interested in the ancient tradition in any detail). In some ways however the intro is better than it was before you arrived so I'm happy for it to remain as you've left it. By all means work on other A articles. His last three extant plays really do need someone to take ownership. Cheers. McCronion (talk) 07:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I intend re-instating this version of the article introduction. The present intro is too stuffy. However, it has a very good source and I'll retain that but move it to the relevant section in the article. Disagree now or forever hold your piece. Eyeless in Gaza (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate Aubrey Beardsley's artwork as much as the next gal, but isn't the giant phallus in the illustration chosen for this page a little bit distracting from the topic? Beardsley's work is a separate work that stands on its own. 108.182.13.221 (talk) 19:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Huge sections of this article are cited solely to the text of the play (using them to make, apparently, an editor's arguments about it.) This violates WP:OR and WP:SYNTH, so I'll try and make an effort to clean it up. Feel free to restore any points that can be sourced to a secondary source, but remember to provide a citation! --Aquillion (talk) 18:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree with ypor modern term "withdrawal of sexual privileges". Sex between a woman and a men does not entail "privileges" from one or the other side. It is and expression of mutual love and desire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.22.91.172 (talk) 01:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I really think Eric Linklater's take on the Lysistrata story, the Impregnable Women, should be referenced under this rubric, especially as the novel was published in a Penguin edition and was widely circulated in the 1940s and 50s. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 22:17, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]