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I removed this unsourced and random text from an article called "Black-and-white Colobus" and made that page a redirect to this page. IMO it's confusing to have two articles about the same thing and the other article was a sloppy, unsourced paste job not all about this monkey. --Amaltheus (talk) 20:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The lead needs to be much longer. It should be a summary of the article. See Wikipedia's Manual of Style for more information.
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Looking at the history of this article I see that no substantial alterations have been made in it for many months prior to it being nominated for GA. Since I made the above comments a week ago no action has been taken on any of them. I have put the review on hold and will make a fuller review if I see evidence of anyone trying to raise the article to GA standard. Otherwise, I will fail it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am failing this article on the grounds that it is not well-enough referenced and no attempt has been made to improve it along the lines outlined above. Please nominate it again when these matters have been resolved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Eastern black-and-white colobus should be merged into mantled guereza. It is a non-notable subspecies; the article has little specific information; none of the references give great specific information; the merger has been suggested before; and the content is either a duplicate of the mantled guereza article or would merge into it easily. Jack (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Thanks! I will try to cover all the points today but might have to leave the evolution/etymology section for another day if I run out of time. Jack (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If available, there could be some discussion about the discovery and naming of this taxon.
Likewise, is there material enough for an evolution section, to put it in context? What are its relatives and such?
Had a quick look and I'm not sure if I can find enough information for a section on its evolution however I think I will include relatives etc. in the taxonomy section. Could include the discovery there as well. Jack (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" In multi-male groups, one male can mate with the females on some occasions." What does this mean, that they take turns mating with all of them, or that only one male is allowed to mate with them?
Something seems to be wrong with the following sentence: "It is likely that the mantled guereza prefers second growth forests due to increased food choice weaker chemical defenses from the plants."
Now reads: It is likely that the mantled guereza prefers these forests due to increased the number of food trees and the weaker chemical defenses of the species withinJack (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The text directly under the ecology headline looks like it should be moved to habitat.
To be clear, this is the chunk of text I'm referring to: "The mantled guereza is primarily arboreal, but does sometimes descend on the ground to forage and travel, perhaps more so than most other colobines. It is diurnal and rests for up to half the day. Foraging or travelling are the next most common activity. Sometime after dawn, mantled guereza groups leave their sleeping trees and will return to them at dusk. During the day, the mantled guereza has long rest periods in between periods of moving and feeding.[19][20][21] Other activities, including grooming, greeting, playing and being vigilant, are performed to a lesser extent." To me, it looks like it is almost entirely about habitat. FunkMonk (talk) 09:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Habitat is the environment in which a species lives, while those sentences talk about the ecology of the animal, the way the animal interacts with its environment. Jack (talk) 14:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ecology is the interaction between living organisms, that section is merely about where the animal lives and where it moves to, but I guess its no big deal. FunkMonk (talk) 14:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When the above is done, diet would fit better under behaviour, as in most other articles.
An animal's diet is part of its ecology not its behaviour. How it eats, or its foraging strategy may be classed as behaviour, but the species it feeds on is part of its ecology. Jack (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean underneath or within? For primates, if there is enough information we have separate sections for Ecology and Behaviour, and placement isn't standardised. I find it helpful to have the habitat and ecology sections close together as they relate to the same thing. Jack (talk) 15:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a big fan of white space, and have removed some. Perhaps that under distribution could be removed if the image was right aligned.
Yeah I'm not either but I've tried to left-right align all the images. The distribution section has whitespace when viewed at high display resolutions. Is it really necessary to move the image? Jack (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah agreed, for the moment I don't think I'll be adding too much more to the section but will keep it in mind if it goes to FAC. Jack (talk) 15:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Like all colobi" and "with its unique stomach.". If all its relatives have this, how is it unique?
"In some populations, groups may defend core areas" what is a "core area"? The territory of the group? If so, why not just state that? FunkMonk (talk) 13:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks good to me now, apart from the white space, and well, I still think that chunk under ecology belongs to habitat, but whatever. Won't hold it back. I'll pass it next time you respond. FunkMonk (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The mantled guereza (Colobus guereza) is a species of Old World monkey native to much of western central and eastern Africa. Although its colouring is somewhat variable across its range, it has a distinctive pelage which is mostly black, with a white facial disc and long white fringes of silky hair along the sides of its body. The tail is long and ends in a white tuft of variable length. It is a diurnal, mostly arboreal monkey, with groups moving through the canopy feeding mainly on leaves, with some fruits and other food items. This male of the subspecies C. g. guereza, also known as the Omo River guereza or the Abyssinian black-and-white colobus, was photographed in Amora Gedel Park in Awasa, Ethiopia.
I'm inclined to agree here. "Mantled guereza" is, so far as I can tell, the more common name, and so should be preferred. "Guereza" is, for instance, the name preferred by all three of the IUCN, the ASM, and MSW3, which are generally the most widely-used sources for this sort of thing. If there's good reason to suppose otherwise, then fine, but I'd be interested to know what the evidence is. Anaxial (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]