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The case of Mark Foley is presented in the Reaction formation article as a prima facie example of behavior typical of this psychological defense mechanism. It would probably be best to have a reliable source for citation that had commented on this connection, however, the case appears so clear-cut, I personally shouldn't think it needed to be a requirement for this to be included in the present article. __meco 01:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the state of Florida the age of consent on the internet is 21. <- could someone source that? Klosterdev 19:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Either transwiki the information, or remove the template. But the article is not stable. --Rschen7754 (T C) 05:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would appear that Rschen's main problem with this article is the arguably non-encyclopedic giant chunk of quotes in the article. Are these necessary and would it be acceptable to simply remove this section since the quotes are available at other locations, this may also clear some of the problems that this article could face with copyvio concerns. Kyaa the Catlord 06:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article says toward the bottom that the "age of consent on the internet" is 21 in Florida. What does that mean? Does it mean that no one under 21 is allowed to have sex in Florida or that they're not allowed to communicate with older people on the Internet?
On another note, the reason I came to this article was because I was curious what Foley is up to now, a year later after the scanal broke. Does anyone know? --YellowTapedR 07:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article is a disgrace. Not only is it heavily opinionated (one section with Foley's response, nine condemning him), but it's longer than Watergate scandal, Lewinsky scandal, and Impeachment of Bill Clinton combined. There's no reason for either. Sceptre (talk) 22:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your uncivil heading aside, the NPOV tag compels you to articulate your concerns on the talk page. Read it. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the image here to his official Congressional one. Something about the old image in the context of the article felt wrong and exploitive with BLP in mind. It was the fact it was blurry, had an "action" feel to it, and the look of it. This is more neutral and far higher quality in any event. Lawrence § t/e 22:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style, this article Mark Foley scandal is too long. This article is way too long. According to WP:UNDUE, and other policies, it seems to me that much of the material in this article could be redundant, just going over the same incident in a depth which does not reflect the inherent notability of this incident accurately, and which in places is poorly written, reflecting the haste with which this has been treated, and the difficulty of organizing such a vast sea of relatively minor information. Can it really be sensibly argued that this article be longer than the article on Albert Einstein, or as long as the article on William Shakespeare? Something ought to be done about improving this situation, I am not sure what that would be. --Newbyguesses (talk) 22:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, if you are right, even if I concede both those points, what I meant as undue is that my understanding is the incident being covered, and the focus of the article, is the activities of this individual, which led to their resignation from the U.S. Congress. But much of the article is filled up with words from reporters, and other individuals, which are all sourced, but which simply repeat the facts, over and over. Repitition doesn't amplify the evidence, which is ample. There is too much of it. --
I will say it another way. That the congressman resigned, and what happened, is a matter of events that are notable, and ought to be encluded in en.wikipedia's coverage. However, that it was reported in several newspapers, several times, and reported widely, is not significant. That is what reporters do, and newspapers do, and every item published is not itself worthy of inclusion, if it merely repeats a previously established line of text. --
I will say it one more way, as I understand it, the encyclopedia is for all readers. Sources are added so that all those readers can understand the information presented. Is the information so complicated that 60 references are needed to understand it, I don't think so. --
As one example of material which seems not to belong --
Age of consent
In the United States, 18 years of age is the age of majority (anyone below that age is considered a minor). However, the age of consent for sexual relations can differ from the age of majority, being dictated by statutory rape laws, and varies by state (it is 16 in the District of Columbia).[1]
Thank you, as I say I may be willing to concede these points, my understanding could be wrong since I am no expert, and you can obviously make sound arguments which may not have previously occurred to me. --Newbyguesses (talk) 01:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Do you think if I made a article on Jordan Edmund it would be deleted? Is he notible "enough"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkDonna (talk • contribs) 20:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Inthe last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT (talk) 09:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
First paragraph references "FLDE." Probably should read "Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE)". —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveCrane (talk • contribs) 22:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Erm...
So, I noticed that this article includes the category: Category:LGBT history in the United States.
I'm not saying he isn't gay or anything, and I'm not even suggesting that nobody cared that he's gay. But, weren't the primary reasons for the degree of the scandal the appearance of being a sexual predator of underaged people, and exploiting his position to prey on his subordinates?
Heck, even if people had mostly ignored those and focused solely on the revelation of him being gay, I still wouldn't see how this contributes to LGBT history as a whole. I know that 'history' certainly doesn't exclusively include positive events, but I don't really see any historical significance whatsoever here. (And, again, that's even if one were to pretend that his being gay was the sole issue focused on)
Any objection to removing it? 209.90.133.69 (talk) 20:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved the page from the overlong "Mark Foley congressional page incident" to "Mark Foley scandal." First, of course, the whole affair was not just one incident, but involved a series of events over time. Second, and most importantly, "Mark Foley scandal" is the common name, as seen here:
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